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#Post#: 130263--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 12, 2026, 8:46 am
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They've included the 3 most important photos i.e. the broad line
under the car and clearly visible to a diligent driver, the view
from the rear, although you appear to be saying that you
reversed into this space* and the sign which includes the
meaning that BB holders are not permitted to park.
Did you not see the broad line, if not, why not? And if you saw
it, what did you think it meant?
Wait for others, incl a view as to procedural issues.
*- the res parking sign/bay is quite some distance ahead of you
and separated from your bay by a single yellow line: there is no
junction between your and the resident's bay.
#Post#: 130268--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: PBFTLA
Date: September 12, 2026, 9:13 am
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Thanks again, I did not notice the broad line as I reversed into
the bay/kerb and pulled forward, and when I passed it going
forward there was a vehicle parked there & to be honest I did
not pay much attention to that bay as it was taken. I'd driven
some way down the road and could see by then there were no
spaces, then I saw the vehicle pulling out behind me so rather
than turning at the end I reversed down the road and into that
bay.
Regards the single yellow line separating the residents bay and
police bay, that has been removed. If you look at my GSV and
follow the road down 1 click, that image is from 2022 and you
can see the resident bay has been extended and now adjoined to
the police bay. Further on and from the other direction the GSV
is from 2009 so it must have been a single line then.
Again, regards there being no 'Police' legend on the tarmac, is
this not a requirement. I've noticed that in the 2009 photos the
bays are clearly marked 'Police' on the tarmac.
As I said before I thought it was a requirement that the tarmac
has the correct legend. As per Item 5, Part 4, Diagram 1028.2,
Sign table — Schedule 7, Part 4
This shows an image with the Taxi legend and also says:
Area of carriageway reserved for taxis or, where the legend is
varied as indicated in column 4, reserved for ambulances or
police vehicles, where waiting by other vehicles is prohibited
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7
#Post#: 130270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 12, 2026, 9:28 am
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In GSV 2015, its all perfectly clear with the single yellow line
separating the two bays.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/oq6s5fjrGfhjjrxM8
Then some years later, the council decide to extend the parking
bay right up to the police bay.
GSV shows the situation in 2022.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZSeamH2YkgGiH87Y7
The "Police Police" carriageway text is removed, and the double
line bay separator is put in. You can just see it under the rear
of the grey van. A broad (yellow or white ??) line is painted on
the police bay. Both bay signs remain in their 2015 positions.
and the yellow paint used to indicate the boundary is changed to
white.
The downside for me is that by parking in the police bay, the
sign for the police bay is now nearest to the appellant's car,
which he seems to have ignored.
#Post#: 130273--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 12, 2026, 9:36 am
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Thanks again, I did not notice the broad line as I reversed into
the bay/kerb and pulled forward, and when I passed it going
forward
I don't follow. The broad line runs for the whole length of the
bay. The only vehicle on this within the length of your car was
your car.
The sign is clear in the photos and this is what the adjudicator
would see. If you did not see it, then IMO this would be put at
your door i.e. not paying sufficient attention. Your possible
arguments could be that the exterior markings were not yellow,
or yellow enough, for you to spot the difference between the
bays. But would the adjudicator?
If there is a significant enough difference in colour then you
were put on notice by this and the broad line.
IMO, the objective evidence against you is so strong that you
might have to resort to plan B i.e. that although marked, it
wasn't marked as required and that this meant that it failed the
substantial compliance test.
#Post#: 130296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: PBFTLA
Date: September 12, 2026, 6:36 pm
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Thanks for your reply [member=12]Incandescent[/member]
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The downside for me is that by parking in the police bay, the
sign for the police bay is now nearest to the appellant's car,
which he seems to have ignored.
>
--- End Quote ---
I do accept that the signage on the post is there and clear,
however as I had not noticed any change in the bays from the
road markings it was my belief that the residents parking
continued so I did not check unfortunately.
Regards the double line bay separator that you said can be seen
in the GSV from 2022, by the time of my image of the bay, it is
now a single line at best that I can see and even then that is
extremely faded.
Would that, and the fact the other road markings are so faded
they are not clearly yellow and one cannot distinguish between
them and the other markings as well as the lack of the 'POLICE'
legend on the road itself be sufficient do we think for appeal.
As I said in my last post, it reads to me as ig the legend
'POLICE' is a requirement and not optional but I am aware this
can crossover so I may be wrong (he says crossing his fingers
that he is not!)
#Post#: 130297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 12, 2026, 6:45 pm
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--- Quote from: PBFTLA link ---
>
> Thanks for your reply [member=12]Incandescent[/member]
>
> [quote author=Incandescent
link=topic=11947.msg130270#msg130270 date=1789223329]
> The downside for me is that by parking in the police bay, the
sign for the police bay is now nearest to the appellant's car,
which he seems to have ignored.
>
--- End Quote ---
I do accept that the signage on the post is there and clear,
however as I had not noticed any change in the bays from the
road markings it was my belief that the residents parking
continued so I did not check unfortunately.
Regards the double line bay separator that you said can be seen
in the GSV from 2022, by the time of my image of the bay, it is
now a single line at best that I can see and even then that is
extremely faded.
Would that, and the fact the other road markings are so faded
they are not clearly yellow and one cannot distinguish between
them and the other markings as well as the lack of the 'POLICE'
legend on the road itself be sufficient do we think for appeal.
As I said in my last post, it reads to me as ig the legend
'POLICE' is a requirement and not optional but I am aware this
can crossover so I may be wrong (he says crossing his fingers
that he is not!)
[/quote]
My view is that your case is not a strong one and unlikely to
win at London Tribunals because the police bay sign was so close
to you. However others on here may disagree. You have the legal
right to take them through the process, and if you want to do
so, you must now wait for the Notice to Owner. So now we need to
know if you are the owner of the car, and if so, is the name and
address on your V5C up-to-date ? Reason to ask is that the PCN
is an owner liability, and the NtO is sent to the name and
address on the V5C Registration Certificate, (once known as the
'Log Book' because it used to contain a list of all the owners).
#Post#: 130310--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 13, 2026, 5:49 am
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Would that, and the fact the other road markings are so faded
they are not clearly yellow and one cannot distinguish between
them and the other markings as well as the lack of the 'POLICE'
legend on the road itself be sufficient do we think for appeal
IMO, quite possibly.
But the burden is on you to convince the adjudicator of these
facts and that in the round they should ignore the presence of
the clear broad line and adjacent traffic sign. And whether
'one', which is you in this case, would be the standard which
would be applied to motorists in general.
#Post#: 130346--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: Rob232
Date: September 13, 2026, 1:42 pm
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OP's first post
"....Further, I was visiting Hounslow Police Station for a 1
hour period and specifically asked where I could park with a
Blue Badge and I was told that I could park in York Road for
that specific time period."
If told to park in York Road by a police officer, isn't that
where the OP MUST park? For the duration specified? If there was
only the one parking space available then that is the one that
must be used?
Just putting this out there, we don't know the reason for the
visit after all.
#Post#: 130350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: Anarchist
Date: September 13, 2026, 2:13 pm
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was told that I could park in York Road
“Could” does not equal “must.”
#Post#: 130397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow pcn - Contravention Code 42 parking in designated
police bay
DIR By: PBFTLA
Date: September 14, 2026, 8:46 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> But the burden is on you to convince the adjudicator of these
facts and that in the round they should ignore the presence of
the clear broad line and adjacent traffic sign. And whether
'one', which is you in this case, would be the standard which
would be applied to motorists in general.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, I'd mistakenly thought that if they had not adhered to
the legislation, ie: the 'POLICE' legend on the tarmac and had
not maintained the lines sufficiently that even with the signage
on the post I would have a good chance at an appeal but it seems
that would be a high risk from what you and others are saying so
may need to just pay up.
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