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       #Post#: 130099--------------------------------------------------
       Surrey – 57mph in 50 – LTI 20:20 calibration certificate
       question
   DIR By: xenu
       Date: September 10, 2026, 10:13 am
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       Hi,
       I have received a NIP alleging 57mph in a 50mph limit.
       The device was an LTI 20:20 UltraLyte 1000. The calibration
       certificate was valid on the date of the alleged offence.
       Section 10.4.2.2 of the Home Office Speedmeter Handbook appears
       to say that the certificate should show the pulse
       repetition/clock frequency against its expected value and the
       actual versus measured ranges.
       The certificate supplied to me instead gives “Pulse Repetition
       Check (Hz): Pass” and lists the distance tests simply as “Pass”,
       without showing the numerical measured values.
       I'm not claiming this proves the device was incorrectly
       calibrated. I'm trying to understand:
       Does this omission have any legal significance, or is it merely
       an administrative/documentation issue?
       Is it worth asking the police for the complete
       certificate/continuation sheets and underlying calibration
       results before deciding how to deal with the allegation?
       If the numerical measurements exist in the calibrator's records
       but don't appear on the certificate itself, does that satisfy
       the Home Office requirement?
       Thanks.
       #Post#: 130100--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Surrey – 57mph in 50 – LTI 20:20 calibration certificate
       question
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: September 10, 2026, 10:38 am
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       No, yes.
       No
       Who cares?
       #Post#: 130105--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Surrey – 57mph in 50 – LTI 20:20 calibration certificate
       question
   DIR By: NewJudge
       Date: September 10, 2026, 11:12 am
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       The device (provided it is "type approved" and with or without a
       calibration certificate,  regardless of what such a certificate
       shows) is assumed to be reliable unless the contrary is shown.
       The burden to show it cannot be relied upon rests with the
       driver. Deficiencies in the calibration certificate, or even the
       absolute lack of one, may help in that task but, by itself, it
       is unlikely to convince a court that the device is unreliable.
       --- Quote ---
       > Is it worth asking the police for the complete
       certificate/continuation sheets and underlying calibration
       results before deciding how to deal with the allegation?
       --- End Quote ---
       You can ask for whatever you like but the only way to deal with
       the allegation immediately is to respond to the accompanying
       “request for driver’s details.” The police will then decide what
       to do. The most likely outcome is the driver will be offered a
       course for that speed (provided he or she is eligible). Failing
       that, a fixed penalty (£100 and 3 points) will be offered.
       Taking advantage of either of those will require accepting the
       allegation as it stands. If the driver wants to get involved
       with technical defences, the police will almost certainly say
       the only way to do that (and so get to see the evidence they
       intend to rely on to secure a conviction) will be to decline any
       out-of-court solution and instead have the matter heard in
       court.
       #Post#: 130115--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Surrey – 57mph in 50 – LTI 20:20 calibration certificate
       question
   DIR By: FuzzyDuck
       Date: September 10, 2026, 1:40 pm
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       Be aware, if the police think you are on a "fishing trip", they
       may not offer to a course or fixed penalty and go straight to
       court action.
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