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#Post#: 129000--------------------------------------------------
New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A parked without a valid
permit
DIR By: Iamnegan
Date: August 27, 2026, 6:15 am
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So I parked here thinking only the bays were residential, and I
feel the signage was misleading. Photos attached by my friend
after I left, I was parked in front of the blue volvo.
On one side of the road as you enter it says zone ends while the
other side says permit holders only beyond this point.
I parked here late last night and while I should have checked
all the signs considering its London, I only saw a smaller sign
on the opposite side of the road which it thought was
referencing the parking bays.(also attached, its the sign behind
the grey BMW with the hidden number plate)
I'm just wondering If I could appeal by saying the signage is
confusing, and that its hard to see the one on the right hand
side if I'm taking a left turn into the road.
I know on larger roads they need signs on both sides but I'm
guessing this road is smaller than 5m (haven't measured it)
So in summary my potential appeal would be: its hard to see the
'residents only beyond this point' as its on the other side of
the road and facing out while I'm turning left. However on the
left hand side of the road is a conflicting sign saying the zone
ends.
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#Post#: 129003--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A psrkend without a
valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2026, 6:26 am
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Post the PCN, no redactions.
#Post#: 129013--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A psrkend without a
valid permit
DIR By: Iamnegan
Date: August 27, 2026, 7:33 am
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PCN unredacted
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Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A psrkend without a
valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2026, 7:50 am
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What are the PCN number and car VRM - out of focus.
#Post#: 129019--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A psrkend without a
valid permit
DIR By: Iamnegan
Date: August 27, 2026, 8:02 am
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Apologies PCN no ZY22756436 VRN no HX20 SXC
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Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A parked without a
valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2026, 8:16 am
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So the contravention is off-street code 85 but the signage is an
on-street permit parking area.
The suffix A in the code I think should mean EV charging permit
bay but that's bonkers.
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Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A parked without a
valid permit
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 27, 2026, 10:55 am
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I refer the authority to the contravention grounds stated in the
PCN, namely:
85A- Parked without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying
a valid physical permit where required
I also refer the authority to the contravention codes and
descriptions authorised by the Mayor of London which specify,
limit and reserve the use of this code and description to
'Off-Street' contraventions, that is to say car parks.
HTML https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-03/Penalty%20Charge%20Notices%20Contravention%20Code%20List%202025%20%28Webpage%20Version%29%20%281%29.pdf
I further refer the authority to the location given in the PCN:
New Butt Lane Estate, and to the CEO's photos which show a
Permit Parking Area sign prescribed for use On-Street only. See
Item 5 of Part 3 of Schedule 5 to the
regulations(
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/5)<br
/>and paragraph 1 of Part 5 (General Directions) of the same
regulations which state:
1.—(1) The signs provided for in this Schedule must only be
placed on or near a road to indicate the effect of an Act,
order, regulation, bylaw, resolution or notice which prohibits
or restricts the use of the road by traffic.
The PCN must be cancelled because either:
The alleged contravention occurred in a car park(the authority
treating the named road as being part of a car park), in which
case the sign has no legal effect because it is permitted for
use only on roads and not car parks; or
The alleged contravention did not occur in a car park but
instead on a road, in which case the contravention code may not
be used as it is permitted for off-street use only.
My both barrels version.
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Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A parked without a
valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2026, 11:04 am
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Tincombe has nailed this so may as well go all in at informal
stage.
OP - what is the Google Maps location?
I would also ask them what the suffix A means, not that it's
relevant but may prompt them to cave in.
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Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A parked without a
valid permit
DIR By: Iamnegan
Date: August 27, 2026, 11:45 am
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Amazing, thanks for noticing that.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/z9Y4en823G7LDHDT8
- the google maps
link requested
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Re: New Butt Lane + Deptford, Lewisham 85A parked without a
valid permit
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 27, 2026, 3:55 pm
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Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
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