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Re: Barnet, code 11 parked without payment. Paid but typo
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 31, 2026, 3:59 am
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Seems fine to me.
If Mr.Mustard is keeping watch, would you know where to obtain a
copy of the council's Principal Order for on-street parking
places? Also, what the council's view about having unlawful
markings and signs along this length of street?
#Post#: 129213--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, code 11 parked without payment. Paid but typo
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: August 31, 2026, 4:25 am
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I had noted this case. Maps are here and link you to the traffic
order wording
HTML https://barnet.traffweb.app/
You get the location when you search for the number, 9366 is
Church End which could be a district or a street or both
The lines have been wrong for 'ever'. I won case 2140338414 on
this as one of the arguments and nothing has changed since. The
OP will have to be prepared to forget about the discount though
as Barnet never cancel just because their bays are unlawful ! I
have to go to the tribunal each time.
2140338414 was just along the same road.
The Appellant is represented by Mr Dishman who attended on the
Appellant's behalf. The Authority was not represented.
Mr Dishman took a number of points. First, he submitted that
according to the Secretary of State's Authorisation of signage
for the use of the sign in the CEO's photograph, there must also
by a pay and display parking sign prescribed in the Traffic
Signs Regulation and General Directions. There was no evidence
of the latter sign.
Secondly, Mr Dishman submitted that the presence of a double
yellow line alongside the bay is not a lawful signage.
Thirdly. Mr Dishman submitted the PCN was non compliant with the
Schedule to the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions
(England) General Regulations 2007 per the decision of Miller
and others.
Fourthly, Mr Dishman submitted that the reference in the Notice
of Rejection to the Authority's inability to cancel a PCN is
wrong as a matter of law and amounts to a procedural
impropriety.
The last point might be debatable. The first three are not. I am
with Mr Dishman on all of them. I am allowing the appeal.
#Post#: 129215--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, code 11 parked without payment. Paid but typo
DIR By: speeder
Date: August 31, 2026, 4:58 am
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If I go down this route, would my initial informal request to
cancel the PCN have to include reference to the lines being
wrong or is my initial draft fine to send?
#Post#: 129235--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, code 11 parked without payment. Paid but typo
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 31, 2026, 11:42 am
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IMO, your initial reps are fine, but having read the Principal
order I would make one tweak because the order makes it clear
that the purpose of a location code is to 'indicate' the tariff
applicable. IMO, a purposive interpretation of the Order is that
payment of the correct tariff is sufficient. This is not to say
that a PCN should not be served, because CEO's are not
clairvoyant, but the authority should cancel upon receipt of
PROOF that payment of the correct tariff was made.
Perhaps..
'I was surprised to receive a PCN after having paid for parking.
Upon reviewing my payment, I discovered that I had inadvertently
entered location code 6366 instead of 6336 due to a
typographical error. However, as the primary purpose of the
location code for a motorist is to indicate the correct tariff
and as location 6336 has the same tariff as location 6366 and is
situated in the council's area then payment of the tariff which
permits parking at the 'Paid for Parking Place' 6366 was made in
respect of VRM ****.
I would also add that the parking application merely displayed
“London Borough of Barnet” as the payment location—rather than
the specific road name, as is usually shown. This led me to
believe I had selected the correct location. Accordingly, as the
required tariff was paid in respect of my vehicle I respectfully
request that the PCN be cancelled on this basis.'
Soft reps at this stage. Their unlawful arrangement of waiting
restrictions and parking places can wait. I think they've misled
themselves because the trafweb makes it clear that these parking
places are '4 wheels footway parking' and they probably think
that being off the carriageway allows designated parking.
But it doesn't.
#Post#: 129541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, code 11 parked without payment. Paid but typo
DIR By: speeder
Date: September 4, 2026, 3:39 am
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Have filled in the online first stage challenge - got through to
a confirmation page, but no confirmation email. Is this normal?
#Post#: 129543--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, code 11 parked without payment. Paid but typo
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: September 4, 2026, 3:44 am
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Yes, it sadly is. In November Barnet changed back office
contractor from NSL to APCOA who only give you a reference
number which you need to copy before you close that page.
#Post#: 129785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, code 11 parked without payment. Paid but typo
DIR By: speeder
Date: September 7, 2026, 9:07 am
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Thank you mrmustard. I enclose the council’s response to my
challenge
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