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#Post#: 128605--------------------------------------------------
Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: RichardW
Date: August 23, 2026, 3:39 pm
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On the receiving end this weekend - first PCN in over 25 years
::)
PCN Front and Back
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Was parked on the right just here behind where that white Audi
is.
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Turns out it is a Controlled Parking Zone - start of zone is on
Croft road:
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We were at the retirement homes on the left behind where we
parked, clearing a late friend's flat - we've been there many
times, but always managed to get parked inside, but no room on
this occasion (and we were there all day...!).
There is slight confusion in the signage, as a bit further down
the street there is a single resident's permit area sign:
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Plan to send an appeal for discretion on not being local(*) and
clearing of a deceased estate, but expect a no! However, if
anyone can see any problems in the PCN, would be pleased to hear
them.
* we actually live in Scotland, so wondering if there might be
potential that the recovery process for English PCNs doesn't
work across the border?
#Post#: 128607--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 23, 2026, 4:47 pm
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Not a controlled zone but a permit parking area. You note the
entry sign but the other smaller sign is a repeater which is
good practice where a PPA involves several roads as here.
PPAs can have bays for say paying to park but there are none
here so the only way you could have parked is with a visitor
voucher.
I'd say you have good mitigation especially if loading but
observation time was 10 mins.
#Post#: 128609--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 23, 2026, 5:29 pm
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I can't see a loading exemption flying when you say you were
parked there all day.
As regards just escaping home to Bonnie Scotland and escaping
enforcement, I'm not sure what the law permits. I had a look on
the internet, and it is quite clear that an English CCJ can be
enforced, but in the PCN enforcement process, there is no
possiblilty of a CCJ, because debts are registered at the
Traffic Enforcement Centre (a special form of county court,
which has no courtrooms or judges), not a County Court. I
suppose you could try it and see what happens !
#Post#: 128799--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: RichardW
Date: August 25, 2026, 8:38 am
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I've submitted an appeal based on discretion, but also noted
that I live in Scotland (but not in a 'ya-boo-sucks, you can't
chase me for it' way!). I expect they will reject (let's face
it, honest mistake or not, it was a blatant contravention!), and
then I will pay at the discount. Although I can't find it
explicitly there is enough suggestion that TEC wouldn't be able
to enforce in Scotland without a separate Sherriff Court case,
but as I am not the RK, and there is plenty other going on, I
don't think I will be allowed to find out, if you get my drift
;D
#Post#: 128804--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: catnip
Date: August 25, 2026, 9:22 am
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--- Quote from: RichardW link ---
>
>
> Turns out it is a Controlled Parking Zone - start of zone is
on Croft road:
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/mRDmXcihmrF6KPim6
>
> There is slight confusion in the signage, as a bit further
down the street there is a single resident's permit area sign:
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4MpEdaenYQweNrqs6
>
>
--- End Quote ---
There's also this sign for the single yellow:
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It appears as though you have parked on this line, but it looks
as though it's been removed when the permit parking was
implemented, however some portions are still visible.
I wonder if the Traffic Order has been amended to reflect this?
EDIT: Just looked at the TRO and it still shows a single yellow
on that side of the road, so maybe it could be argued that the
contravention is incorrect and should be 01?
#Post#: 128823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 25, 2026, 10:39 am
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A PPA can have yellow line waiting restrictions but they are
usually double yellows. If a single yellow is extant it must
have a timeplate and indeed a contravention would be 01 but only
during controlled hours. Which is why it probably shouldn't be
there and maybe is an old order as it would be ambiguous out of
hours.
#Post#: 128838--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: catnip
Date: August 25, 2026, 11:50 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> A PPA can have yellow line waiting restrictions but they are
usually double yellows. If a single yellow is extant it must
have a timeplate and indeed a contravention would be 01 but only
during controlled hours. Which is why it probably shouldn't be
there and maybe is an old order as it would be ambiguous out of
hours.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's dated July 2025:
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(Search for Town End Street)
#Post#: 128854--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: RichardW
Date: August 25, 2026, 1:55 pm
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The yellow line is still there right outside the flats, time
plate is slightly different to the PPA timings. But the lines
definitely stop before where I was parked (albeit you are right
that they appear to still be there faintly).
Anyway, as said I shall pay at the discount if they reject the
clemency appeal; I doubt there is a strong case - unless they
mess up the NOR.
#Post#: 128871--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 25, 2026, 4:39 pm
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Was parked on the right just here behind where that white Audi
is.
So, you were parked o/s which property??
Turns out it is a Controlled Parking Zone - start of zone is on
Croft road:
No it's not. If it's anything, it's a Permit Parking Area.
You've made reps 'but as I am not the RK'....
So, what's for us to do as regards you?
If your reps are accepted, then that's it.
If not, then the RK is liable, you're out of the enforcement
equation and therefore where you live isn't relevant.
#Post#: 128877--------------------------------------------------
Re: Surrey Code 16 Parked in permit space - Town End Street
Godalming
DIR By: RichardW
Date: August 26, 2026, 1:29 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> Was parked on the right just here behind where that white Audi
is.
>
> So, you were parked o/s which property??
>
>
--- End Quote ---
24, right where the 2 people are on the pavement in the GSV shot
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>
>
> Turns out it is a Controlled Parking Zone - start of zone is
on Croft road:
>
> No it's not. If it's anything, it's a Permit Parking Area.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Indeed, I always forget there are 2 different types, none round
here where I live!
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>
>
> You've made reps 'but as I am not the RK'....
>
> So, what's for us to do as regards you?
>
--- End Quote ---
Well nothing at the moment, was originally wondering if there
were any technical defects in PCN
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> If your reps are accepted, then that's it.
>
> If not, then the RK is liable, you're out of the enforcement
equation and therefore where you live isn't relevant.
>
--- End Quote ---
RK is Mrs W, so also lives in Scotland 8) ; but as above, I
don't think she's up for waiting it out to see if collection
agents turn up....!
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