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Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: Findingaway
Date: August 18, 2026, 4:09 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> You're putting us under pressure because you're under pressure
because you know whether the discounts were re-offered and when
they expire. But we don't.
>
> Would you please catalogue the dates of contravention and
corresponding dates of issue of the PCNs and NORs and whether
the discount has been re-offered. Let's see what options you
have.
>
> You drew our attention to the sign/foliage issue at the turn,
but now you say that the preceding sign was obscured. Is this
still the case?
>
--- End Quote ---
I took a picture of the road from Google to explain this a bit
better (first link).
The black lines and arrows show the direction/trajectory of
travel. The sign circled in red is the “No Right Turn” sign,
which was obscured by greenery and it is shown (barely) on the
ccvt from the council. The sign circled in orange is the blue
“Buses and Cycles Only” sign at the entrance to the road but
cannot be seen in the videos.
Because I couldn’t see the No Right Turn sign, I was focused on
making the turn safely rather than looking further ahead for
another restriction sign.
The second link shows the contravention date and when the PCN
was issued. All of the rejection notices were issued on 12
August, and they’ve given me two weeks to pay at the 50%
discounted rate.
thank you
HTML https://imgpile.com/m/wDjAXxR
HTML https://imgpile.com/m/wWI36v2
#Post#: 128116--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: Anarchist
Date: August 18, 2026, 4:22 am
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“I don’t think it would be safe or realistic to suddenly stop
just before entering the road.”
I’m not sure that this argument will work.
What would be your answer be if you were asked what you would do
if you saw a cyclist overtaking you on the right just as you
were about to turn?
Because they may take the view that if it is safe to stop in
those circumstances, then it is safe to stop.
#Post#: 128132--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 18, 2026, 6:57 am
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This process deals with specified and sometimes defined terms.
Details matter.
'All of the rejection notices were issued on 12 August, and
they’ve given me two weeks to pay at the 50% discounted rate.'
No they haven't.
You have '14 days from the date of this letter being served to
do this [pay at the discount rate]'.
All letters are deemed served on 14th, therefore their offer
expires on 28th.
The NORs are a complete mess as regards what they're supposed to
include.
Rejection of representations against penalty charge notice
3Where any representations are made under paragraph 1 above but
the enforcing authority do not accept that a ground has been
established, the notice served under sub-paragraph (7) of the
said paragraph 1 (in this Schedule referred to as “the notice of
rejection”) must—
(a)state that a charge certificate may be served [they use will
be sent] under paragraph 5 below unless before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of the
notice of rejection[They use 'after 28 days', whatever that's
supposed to mean!]—
(i)the penalty charge is paid[They use 'you have 28 days from
the date of our notice to do this! FFS]; or
(ii)the person on whom the notice is served appeals to a traffic
adjudicator against the penalty charge; and
(b)describe in general terms the form and manner in which such
an appeal must be made,
The NORs are grossly defective. You could appeal on the grounds
of a collateral challenge e.g. the NORs are so defective that
you feel compelled to include this within your appeal which you
would ask the adjudicator to consider as a collateral challenge.
Others might comment.
#Post#: 128142--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: ihateinjustice24
Date: August 18, 2026, 8:25 am
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--- Quote from: Findingaway link ---
>
> [quote author=ihateinjustice24
link=topic=11750.msg128033#msg128033 date=1786978909]
> Hi, I'm messaging to help bump this post. This happened to me.
Firstly as you've found. the appeal process is entirely
automated. You should build up as many disputes as you can and
go with the strongest. for example in my case their appeals
failed to take into account anything id mentioned at all. thats
a failure to consider. also look at the offences themselves.
check the signage is clear and compliant. look into what
constitutes as complaint as if in anyway they have failed to
comply you can write all of them off. prepare to prove that this
amount would cause financial hardship, as if that is actually
the case and all else fails you may be able to pay over time
instead of at once.
> additionally note the timings of the appeal letters. in my
case they sent the notice of rejection letters prematurely which
gave me grounds to appeal. I'm currently waiting for my hearing
and was very lucky in that i had a member of this forum help
take on my case personally for me. i would've never had known to
do any of this otherwise.
>
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Thanks!What I find odd is that they completely ignored my point
about the foliage covering the “No Right Turn” sign.
As a driver coming up to the road, I’m obviously going to be
looking out for oncoming traffic, pedestrians, cyclists etc. I’m
not going to be scanning around for another sign further ahead
if I can’t see a “No Right Turn” sign on approach.
I just find it strange that they’ve basically dismissed that
point given the evidence that they have provided, because surely
the visibility of the sign is pretty important here. If the sign
is hidden by foliage, how is a driver reasonably supposed to
know they need to look for another sign before entering? This is
dangerous, as you would have already committed to the turn.
[/quote]
thats because their rejections are almost always automated. they
don't actually look at your appeal or if they do. they know
most people wont risk going to court. they hold all the power.
but court is the only way to actually have someone hear your
case. its a broken system in my opinion.
#Post#: 128164--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 18, 2026, 11:22 am
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Thanks!What I find odd is that they completely ignored my point
about the foliage covering the “No Right Turn” sign.
There are 2 signs(at least). And you drove past both. Would you
be saying to the adjudicator that both were obscured? Is this
realistic given that the authority would be bound to introduce
this evidence?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/i1z4jxvUDzCyHvweA
IMO, you should lead with objective matters i.e. the cumulative
penalty for something you missed or misunderstood.
You then have the procedural errors in their NORs, again these
are objective.
Then....
Pl remember, the adjudicator cannot consider purely mitigating
circumstances.
#Post#: 128169--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: davidmcn
Date: August 18, 2026, 12:58 pm
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For what it's worth, Google Maps (at least now) seems to
recognise that the turn is prohibited and takes you round the
block instead.
#Post#: 128170--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: Findingaway
Date: August 18, 2026, 1:00 pm
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Thank you. I genuinely have no recollection of this sign. I will
drive past to take a picture.
Noted about the objective points 👍 I appreciate it
#Post#: 129057--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: evap
Date: August 27, 2026, 2:53 pm
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Hi!
I have just had the exact same issue - I got 7x 50J in the same
place. I have missed the deadlines for appeals as I wasn't in
the country. Now each fine is £240 and being sent to debt
collection which adds to the cost.
Anyone know how I can freeze this situation and get them to
understand that I was not in the country to receive those
letters or appeal within 14 days which is an incredibly short
timeframe.
Thanks!
#Post#: 129064--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9x 50J Cumulative PCNs - Northgate, Northwood - Hillingdon
Council
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 27, 2026, 3:52 pm
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--- Quote from: evap link ---
>
> Hi!
>
> I have just had the exact same issue - I got 7x 50J in the
same place. I have missed the deadlines for appeals as I wasn't
in the country. Now each fine is £240 and being sent to debt
collection which adds to the cost.
>
> Anyone know how I can freeze this situation and get them to
understand that I was not in the country to receive those
letters or appeal within 14 days which is an incredibly short
timeframe.
>
> Thanks!
>
--- End Quote ---
pPlease start your own thread. The rule is on original poster
per thread. However, keep looking at this one if it helps you.
If your case has gone to bailiffs, the only way to revert to the
PCN stage is to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration, one
per PCN.
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