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PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: S.M
Date: August 15, 2026, 11:53 am
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This was one of those where I must admit I didn`t even realise I
was in a yellow box junction at all. It`s not even a case where
there was no space up ahead; there was plenty of space for my
car.
Once I realised it was a yellow box I moved forward but they did
not provide this footage.
Is there ground to appeal this? or should i bite the bullet?
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 15, 2026, 12:10 pm
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Looks like you had a car-length of space ahead so the
contravention did not occur.
A contravention must be because exit is prevented by stationary
vehicles.
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: Anarchist
Date: August 15, 2026, 12:48 pm
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The contravention occurs when you enter a yellow box such that
you have to stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
I don’t know why you stopped, but the video shows that it
doesn’t seem to have been due to the presence of stationary
vehicles.
Therefore the contravention did not occur.
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 15, 2026, 1:19 pm
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I can't agree with a view which says that it's unarguable that
there was enough room beyond the box before hitting the car in
front.
IMO, it's arguable that there was room for you to exit. But IMO
it is not so obvious that this won't be disputed and that an
adjudicator might find that because the nuisance the prohibition
is targeting was clearly created by the OP, the balance is in
the council's favour.
OP, in your reps IMO you must put it to the council that there
was room for you to exit, but you chose not to..and test their
reasoning. You might say that you didn't want to enter the
crossing zig-zag area or whatever!
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: S.M
Date: August 16, 2026, 1:19 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> I can't agree with a view which says that it's unarguable that
there was enough room beyond the box before hitting the car in
front.
>
> IMO, it's arguable that there was room for you to exit. But
IMO it is not so obvious that this won't be disputed and that an
adjudicator might find that because the nuisance the prohibition
is targeting was clearly created by the OP, the balance is in
the council's favour.
>
> OP, in your reps IMO you must put it to the council that there
was room for you to exit, but you chose not to..and test their
reasoning. You might say that you didn't want to enter the
crossing zig-zag area or whatever!
>
--- End Quote ---
Ambulance was coming at the back? ::)
Does anyone have any template for this please?
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 16, 2026, 4:54 am
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Ambulance was coming at the back?
Is there evidence of this on the council's full clip or
anywhere?
Even if not, the keeper could still state that their stopping
was a precautionary measure only..ambulance or whatever..and not
necessitated by the presence of stationary vehicles: as the
video shows, there was room for the driver to exit beyond the
box at all times.
But your words.
Each case is different, albeit with common themes, in this case
a claim that there was room beyond the box at the moment the
vehicle stopped, which was for other reasons, in this case.....
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: NTIAEP
Date: August 19, 2026, 11:07 am
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If of any help.....
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....where very recently I had to construct a similar argument.
FYI - it's not the entire length of your vehicle that you need
account for, rather just from front bumper to middle of the rear
axle.
I'd visit the site in person and measure/take some pictures to
backup your case.
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 19, 2026, 11:50 am
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You can use distance measurer on googlemaps. I think you had
space up to the end of the third clearway chevron beyond the
box. On googlemaps, that's around 5.5 metres from the edge of
the box junction markings. I'm fairly confident your car will
be at least 1 metre shorter than this.
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: S.M
Date: August 25, 2026, 4:52 pm
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Below Rep sent - let`s see what they come back with.
--- Quote ---
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> I am writing to formally challenge Penalty Charge Noticeissued
for an alleged 31j contravention (Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited) at Horns Road. Having reviewed the
CCTV footage and consulted with others who have successfully
contested PCNs at this exact junction, I am appealing on the
grounds that the contravention did not legally occur, and due to
compelling mitigating circumstances, for the following reasons:
>
> 1. The stop was due to an approaching Emergency Vehicle
> Crucially, as I was navigating the junction, I observed an
ambulance approaching from behind in my rear-view mirror. My
momentary pause was a direct reaction to this emergency vehicle,
as I was assessing the safest way to clear a path and ensure I
did not obstruct its progress. Rule 219 of the Highway Code
dictates that drivers must take appropriate action to let
emergency vehicles pass. Therefore, I was not forced to stop
purely due to stationary vehicles ahead, but rather I brought my
vehicle to a halt as a necessary, safe, and legal reaction to an
active emergency vehicle. It is entirely against the public
interest to penalize a driver for reacting safely to an
ambulance.
>
> 2. The alleged infringement is De Minimis
> The footage demonstrates that my vehicle's presence in the box
junction was entirely trivial. Only a fraction of the vehicle
remained within the yellow markings, and it did not impede
crossing traffic or negatively affect the flow of vehicles in
any way. The fundamental purpose of a yellow box is to prevent a
junction from being blocked. Because absolutely no obstruction
occurred, this fleeting and minor positioning falls squarely
under the legal principle of de minimis non curat lex.
Adjudicators at the London Tribunals regularly cancel PCNs on
this basis.
>
> 3. The stop was not necessitated by stationary vehicles
> To legally establish this contravention under the Traffic
Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD), the authority
must prove that the vehicle was forced to stop specifically due
to the presence of stationary vehicles ahead. I submit that
there was sufficient room ahead of my vehicle to move forward
and clear the box markings, but I stopped short due to my
reaction to the ambulance behind me. If a driver stops while
there is still available space ahead, the stop is not legally
forced by the stationary vehicles in front. I put you to strict
proof to demonstrate that stationary traffic completely
prevented my vehicle from moving forward into clear space.
>
> Notice of Intent to Seek Costs
> Given the minor nature of the stop, the availability of space
ahead, and the compelling presence of an emergency vehicle, I
respectfully request that you cancel this PCN immediately.
>
> Please be advised that should the Council choose to reject
these representations and force this matter to the Environment
and Traffic Adjudicators (London Tribunals), I will apply for an
award of costs against Redbridge Council. Pursuing enforcement
under these circumstances—and effectively penalizing a driver
for yielding to an ambulance—would be wholly unreasonable,
vexatious, and a misuse of the Tribunal's time.
>
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Re: PCN Redbridge 31j Horns Road - Yellow Box Junction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 26, 2026, 5:11 am
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Leave out the last paragraph, you've already wound them up
enough. In fact, best to make sure all of your reps are not
confrontational; you want them to concede willingly with
adjudication only as a last resort.
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