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#Post#: 127853--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: August 15, 2026, 8:51 am
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> I was recorded at 85 in the 50mph.
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> The police recorded that speed so I accept that but I slowed
down when it went from 70mph to 50mph.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself?
On the one hand you say you were recorded at 85 in a 50 and you
accept that, but then you say you slowed down when you entered
the 50.
So were you doing 85 in the 50?
#Post#: 127856--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Roc98
Date: August 15, 2026, 9:22 am
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> I was recorded at 85 in the 50mph.
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> The police recorded that speed so I accept that but I slowed
down when it went from 70mph to 50mph.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself?
On the one hand you say you were recorded at 85 in a 50 and you
accept that, but then you say you slowed down when you entered
the 50.
So were you doing 85 in the 50?
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The truth of it is, I don't recall as it was 3 months ago but i
drive down that road often and there is a speed camera as the
road goes from 70 to 50mph - i always slow down at this point
for the camera, so it's unlikely i'd be doing 85 at that point
but this is what the record shows.
#Post#: 127857--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Roc98
Date: August 15, 2026, 9:24 am
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> The long and the short of it is this:
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> If you enter a guilty plea, but disagree with the facts of the
allegation, you can enter your plea “on a basis”. In your case
this would be “I was not doing (for example) 85mph but 75mph”.
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> The court must decide whether there would be a material
difference in their sentence if they accept your version rather
than the version put forward by the police.
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> If they believe it will not, they must proceed to sentence you
based on your version.
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> If they believe it will, they must either accept your version
or order a hearing (known as a “Newton Hearing”) to establish
which version they will use for sentencing. The hearing is
rather like a trial, but instead of it determining your guilt or
innocence, it determines the facts.
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> You have not made it very clear what the speed within the
50mph limit you say you were doing. You said “roughly 80mph”.
But it seems you do not dispute doing 80-85mph when you entered
the 50mph stretch.
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> So I don’t really know what you are arguing about as far as
the speed goes. The charge sheet says 85mph and you accept it
was 80-85mph. I would suggest that whether the court accepts
85mph as alleged or your lower estimate of 80mph, it will make
no material difference to sentencing.
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> So to answer your questions:
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> 1.It may be worth contacting the police prosecutor to ensure
that their statement alleging 85 mph is what will be used in
court.
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> 2.The guidelines for 85 in a 50 limit suggest either a ban of
up to 56 days or six points. Strictly speaking you have no right
to argue that a ban will cause you “exceptional hardship” (that
is only available for “totting up” bans). But the court will
consider your circumstances when making their decision.
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> 3.If you are confident enough to speak in court, you should be
able to handle this yourself. I don’t believe the speed
discrepancy will be an issue. However, 85 in a 50 limit is in
the range where the court will consider a ban appropriate, so
you should be prepared for that.
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> Unless you ask for a court appearance, your case will
initially be heard by a “Single Justice” (SJ) at a hearing which
you cannot attend. However, if the SJ believes a ban should be
considered, your case will be adjourned to a hearing which you
can attend.
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> In view of your concerns over both the speed and the possible
disqualification I would suggest you ask for a personal hearing
anyway. You can then be sure that all the points about which you
are concerned are considered. If a Newton Hearing is ordered, it
will not take place on eh same day as your first hearing, but at
a later date.
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Thank you, this is incredibly helpful, I will ask for a court
hearing. The officer at the time said the offence wouldn't
affect my DBS records, do you know if this will show on a
enhanced DBS check as i hear conflicting responses as to whether
it will.
#Post#: 127859--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Roc98
Date: August 15, 2026, 9:30 am
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> And do you accept that you were doing that speed?
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> If not, what speed do you accept you were doing?
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It's really hard to say as it was 3 months ago - I accept in the
70mph I was doing upwards of 85 but I always slow down as it
drops to 50mph as there is a speed camera (I know the road
well), so where the police report says 'i followed the vehicle
maintaining a steady even distance of approx 50 meters for 2
miles along the A1' it doesn't specify that majority of that
road is 70mph. And it doesn't mention me slowing down. The
police officer suspected i either slowed down for the camera or
because I spotted them, but this isn't detailed in the report.
I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
#Post#: 127861--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Korting
Date: August 15, 2026, 10:08 am
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I know that road quite well, the 50mph limit southbound comes
into effect at the end of the A1M at South Mimms. it was 70Mph
but was reduced several months ago to 50 presumably to stop
accidents occurring from people exiting Trotters Bottom/Galley
Lane. From the junction at the at Rowley Lane, Borehamwood it
has been 50Mph for some years.
To be honest unless you could prove that you were doing under
76MPH (which is the upper limit before it goes to a SJPN)
whether you were doing 80, 85 or 90 would make no difference.
To prove that, you'd haveto prove that the equipment used to
record your speed was approx 20% out and I doubt if any court
would believe that.
If it was me, I'd probably attend court, say you are sorry for
committing the offene and accept the punishment. Others of
course may feel differently.
#Post#: 127862--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Ratus Ratus
Date: August 15, 2026, 10:09 am
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It 'drops' to 50 just as you come under the M25 now & has done
for about 12 months now - so all the way down to the fixed
cameras near Sterling corner . So maybe you dont really know the
road that well....
#Post#: 127864--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: August 15, 2026, 10:35 am
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A speeding offence is not a recordable offence. Therefore it is
not automatically included on a DBS check. Whether it would
appear on an enhanced certificate depends on whether the police
consider it to be relevant - which seems highly unlikely.
#Post#: 127866--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Ratus Ratus
Date: August 15, 2026, 10:46 am
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This newer section of 50 is part of the National Highways SRN -
so might be worth checking they have a correct speed limit order
- it wont be one made by Barnet or Borehamwood councils. I think
the section where the fixed cameras are is just within the
London Borough of Barnet so TFL should have the order for that.
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#Post#: 127899--------------------------------------------------
Re: 85/90mph in a 50 zone (A1, NW London), inconsistent speed
readings, 3 month gap, disability mitigation
DIR By: Roc98
Date: August 16, 2026, 4:46 am
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> A speeding offence is not a recordable offence. Therefore it
is not automatically included on a DBS check. Whether it would
appear on an enhanced certificate depends on whether the police
consider it to be relevant - which seems highly unlikely.
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Thanks very much, this is the most helpful response, it's put me
at ease slightly.
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