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#Post#: 13129--------------------------------------------------
Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: December 31, 2023, 8:08 am
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Hello there guys,
I have received a PCN from Havering for allegedly parked on
pavement, I am a bit confused because everyone on that road was
parked on the pavement and it was no sign advising otherwise, I
even asked the customer whom I was doing the job for and was
told it was free to park.
Location is here:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/PCHaTw1kDLKnUcvEA
pcn pictures :
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5dTvwX
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5dTkut
Pictures I have taken showing people parked:
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5d57x1
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5d5YWF
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5d5aig
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5d5RDP
All inputs are much appreciated, I have also posted in the old
forum Pepipoo, not sure which one is being used.
#Post#: 13137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: December 31, 2023, 11:19 am
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What we need to see are the council photos please get and post
them there is a sign way up the road near the school that says
in marked bays but that does not mean that is what the
resolution says given the road layout
#Post#: 13140--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: December 31, 2023, 11:41 am
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--- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
>
> What we need to see are the council photos please get and post
them there is a sign way up the road near the school that says
in marked bays but that does not mean that is what the
resolution says given the road layout
>
--- End Quote ---
Here they are:
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5F7dcg
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5F7FHJ
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5F7JKF
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5F72Sa
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5F7KAv
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5F7fNR
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/J5F7qtp
There is no sign in any of the pictures, all I can see is
pictures of my van from different angles
#Post#: 13142--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 31, 2023, 1:19 pm
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OP, are you the registered keeper of the van? I ask because it's
odds-on that any challenge would be rejected and therefore the
keeper would be sent a Notice to Owner. If this is perhaps your
employer or a lease company then matters could become more
complicated procedurally.
#Post#: 13147--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: December 31, 2023, 2:03 pm
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This is a company van, what is complicated?
#Post#: 13149--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 31, 2023, 2:11 pm
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> This is a company van, what is complicated?
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If you are the registered keeper, the NtO will go to you
If the company is the RK, it will go there;
If the company lease the vehicle, the NtO will go to the lease
Co.
Only the RK may respond or authorise someone to respond the the
NtO.
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Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: January 1, 2024, 8:51 am
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To add to the above:
This is a company van, what is complicated?
That your only shot at this is the informal reps which I am sure
will be rejected.
So:
Your employer gets the NTO
Their internal policies make incurring traffic penalties or
charges a no-no. You've had many before, they're fed up and look
at this as a way to dismiss you, perhaps; or
They don't know their procedural a**e from their elbow and send
the NTO to you with instructions to 'get it sorted'. But you
can't because you cannot submit reps in your name. So, do you
draft and ask them to sign - 'I told you to get this sorted, not
come back to me with excuses..' or sign pretending to be
authorised and then find that a Notice of Rejection gets sent to
the company who knew nothing about these reps..'
or..
The lease company gets the NTO, pays it and recharges your
employer with admin costs, or
The lease company doesn't know their procedural a**e from their
elbow and simply send the NTO to your company 'get this
sorted'..etc etc.
When I said complicated, I meant complicated!
However, if managed properly you minimise the chances of the
above.
You should find out who is the registered keeper and tell your
employer that you have a PCN which you are challenging and that
if it could go further you'll let them know in good time.
#Post#: 13176--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: January 1, 2024, 1:05 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> To add to the above:
>
> This is a company van, what is complicated?
>
> That your only shot at this is the informal reps which I am
sure will be rejected.
>
> So:
> Your employer gets the NTO
> Their internal policies make incurring traffic penalties or
charges a no-no. You've had many before, they're fed up and look
at this as a way to dismiss you, perhaps; or
>
> They don't know their procedural a**e from their elbow and
send the NTO to you with instructions to 'get it sorted'. But
you can't because you cannot submit reps in your name. So, do
you draft and ask them to sign - 'I told you to get this sorted,
not come back to me with excuses..' or sign pretending to be
authorised and then find that a Notice of Rejection gets sent to
the company who knew nothing about these reps..'
>
> or..
>
> The lease company gets the NTO, pays it and recharges your
employer with admin costs, or
>
> The lease company doesn't know their procedural a**e from
their elbow and simply send the NTO to your company 'get this
sorted'..etc etc.
>
> When I said complicated, I meant complicated!
>
> However, if managed properly you minimise the chances of the
above.
>
> You should find out who is the registered keeper and tell your
employer that you have a PCN which you are challenging and that
if it could go further you'll let them know in good time.
>
--- End Quote ---
in this case I will have to take it on the chin and pay it,
because this van is leased by VW to the company I work for, so
by the time the NtO goes out it will take 3 months to reach me
and I will end up paying admin fees on top of it
#Post#: 13179--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering PCN code 624
DIR By: Daim456
Date: January 1, 2024, 4:15 pm
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There is a process to transfer liability if the vehicle is under
hire/lease agreement however many hire/lease companies do not
follow this process.
If the NTO is sent to your company you work for, you can make a
representation on behalf of the company.
But you cannot make representation on behalf of another company
like hire/lease company.
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