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#Post#: 126822--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: August 4, 2026, 11:11 am
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Could you please post up the POPLA outcome?
#Post#: 126823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: RichardW
Date: August 4, 2026, 11:13 am
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You might as well include all of it. Chances are they will just
ignore it anyway!
It's likely to develop:
LOC from Gladstones
Claim form from court
You submit defence
They say they will continue
Both sides submit directions questionnaire
Mediation call takes place where you offer £0 and they say they
will continue
Court makes an order to transfer to small claims track and
directs both sides to submit witness statements, and for
Claimant to pay the fee by a certain date
At or about the fee date, Gladstones don't pay and discontinue
the claim
Nothing guaranteed of course! They may push all the way to a
hearing, but you have a strong case.
#Post#: 126833--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: tigerjohn
Date: August 4, 2026, 12:41 pm
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There was no POPLA appeal. Euro Parking offered an appeal
through the IAS, which I chose not to pursue because of concerns
regarding its independence and success rates. Based on research
I made online.
The only appeal submitted was directly to Euro Parking, which
was rejected.
#Post#: 126837--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: tigerjohn
Date: August 4, 2026, 1:46 pm
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--- Quote from: RichardW link ---
>
> You might as well include all of it. Chances are they will
just ignore it anyway!
>
> It's likely to develop:
>
> LOC from Gladstones
> Claim form from court
> You submit defence
> They say they will continue
> Both sides submit directions questionnaire
> Mediation call takes place where you offer £0 and they say
they will continue
> Court makes an order to transfer to small claims track and
directs both sides to submit witness statements, and for
Claimant to pay the fee by a certain date
> At or about the fee date, Gladstones don't pay and discontinue
the claim
>
> Nothing guaranteed of course! They may push all the way to a
hearing, but you have a strong case.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is what I plan to respond to the letter they sent me. Does
this seem ok?
"I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 28 July 2026 headed
"Final Demand Before Court Action".
Liability for this charge is denied.
This vehicle is supplied under a hire arrangement. XXX Fleet
wrote to me on 8 May 2026 confirming that liability had been
transferred and stating that the notice would be reissued
directly to me.
To date, I have never been served with a Notice to Hirer
accompanied by the documents required by paragraphs 13 and 14 of
Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, including:
a copy of the hire agreement;
the statement of liability provided by the vehicle hire company;
and
the documents required in order to establish hirer liability.
Accordingly, liability has not been established against the
hirer unless and until you can demonstrate full compliance with
Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
Please therefore provide evidence:
Of the date on which XXX Fleet transferred the hirer's details
to you.
Of the date on which any Notice to Hirer was issued.
That all documents required by paragraphs 13 and 14 of Schedule
4 accompanied that notice.
That the statutory time limits were complied with.
Furthermore, your appeal rejection alleges that the driver was
"observed walking off site". However, the Parking Charge Notice
itself contains only images of the vehicle entering and leaving
the site and provides no evidence demonstrating that the driver
left the relevant premises.
In addition, the signage relied upon does not clearly define the
boundaries of the premises or identify which adjacent businesses
are excluded from using the parking spaces. The parking bays,
neighbouring buildings and seating area appear physically
connected, without any clear demarcation showing where the
premises begin or end.
Please also provide:
Copies of all CCTV footage, photographs and video evidence
relied upon.
The evidence said to demonstrate that the driver left the
premises.
A site plan identifying the precise boundaries of the land to
which the parking terms apply.
Evidence showing how those boundaries are clearly communicated
to motorists.
Photographs of all signage relied upon.
Evidence of landowner authority permitting enforcement at this
location.
For the avoidance of doubt, liability is denied and the debt is
formally disputed. No admission is made as to the identity of
the driver."
#Post#: 126846--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 4, 2026, 3:07 pm
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IMO, this is purely procedural. Don't start explaining
substantive events, you'll just encourage them.
You have not received a Notice to Hirer pursuant to para. 14 of
POFA, therefore prima facie you may not be held liable in lieu
of the registered keeper.
In the event that such a notice was issued, you invite them to
provide a copy and the prescribed accompanying documents. In
addition, as they are prevented from issuing such a notice
unless their claim against the registered keeper has been
cancelled, you also require a copy of their letter to ****
confirming cancellation of their Notice to Keeper in order to
test that the creditor is not engaged in attempting double
recovery.
#Post#: 126850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: tigerjohn
Date: August 4, 2026, 4:03 pm
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Thanks for everyone's response.
So would something like this be better in response? Or this
asking for to much information?
"I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 28 July 2026 headed
"Final Demand Before Court Action".
Liability is denied.
I have never been served with a Notice to Hirer pursuant to
paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act
2012 and, prima facie, cannot therefore be held liable as hirer
in place of the registered keeper.
If you contend that such a notice was issued, please provide:
A copy of the Notice to Hirer.
Copies of all documents required by paragraphs 13 and 14 of
Schedule 4, including the hire agreement and statement of
liability.
Evidence that the statutory time limits were complied with.
Evidence of the date on which the hirer's details were supplied
to you.
Confirmation that the claim against the registered keeper has
been cancelled, together with a copy of the relevant
correspondence.
For the avoidance of doubt, liability is denied and the debt is
formally disputed. No admission is made as to the identity of
the driver"
#Post#: 127181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: tigerjohn
Date: August 7, 2026, 11:14 am
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So I sent in response to their final demand letter:
I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 28 July 2026 headed
"Final Demand Before Court Action".
Liability for this charge is denied.
The vehicle is supplied under a hire arrangement. XXX Fleet UK
Ltd wrote to me on 8 May 2026 confirming that my details had
been provided to you and that the notice would be reissued
directly to me.
To date, I have never been served with a Notice to Hirer
pursuant to paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of
Freedoms Act 2012, nor have I received the documents prescribed
by paragraphs 13 and 14 of Schedule 4, including a copy of the
hire agreement and the statement of liability required to
establish liability against the hirer.
Accordingly, prima facie, liability has not been established
against the hirer in place of the registered keeper.
If you contend that liability has been validly transferred from
the registered keeper to the hirer, please provide:
A copy of the Notice to Hirer.
Copies of all documents prescribed by paragraphs 13 and 14 of
Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, including the
hire agreement and statement of liability.
Evidence of the date on which XXXX Fleet UK Ltd, as registered
keeper, supplied the hirer's details to you.
Evidence that the statutory requirements and time limits set out
in Schedule 4 were complied with.
Confirmation that the Notice to Keeper issued to XXXXX Fleet UK
Ltd has been cancelled and that you are no longer pursuing the
registered keeper, together with copies of the relevant
correspondence.
For the avoidance of doubt, liability is denied and the debt is
formally disputed. No admission is made as to the identity of
the driver, and nothing in this correspondence should be taken
as such an admission.
This was the reply I received, note not one single question was
answered:
Good afternoon,
Thank you for your email.
If you require a copy of your Parking Charge Notice and related
correspondence, you will need to submit a Subject Access Request
to our Data Protection Officer (DPO).
Please provide a copy of your ID and proof of address. Once the
required documents are received, the information will be
provided to you.
Requested documents should be sent to:
dpo@europarkingservices.com
Kind regards,
How should i proceed from this
#Post#: 127195--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: Sander333
Date: August 7, 2026, 2:40 pm
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Usual SAR protocols in order for you to obtain the information
required. They have timelines to respond to your request.
#Post#: 127197--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: tigerjohn
Date: August 7, 2026, 2:57 pm
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I understand that a SAR is the mechanism for obtaining my data,
but given that
I responded to a Final Demand disputing liability and asking how
hirer liability had been established, should I simply wait for a
formal Letter Before Claim rather than provide further
identification at this stage?
#Post#: 127384--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Parking Services – lease vehicle – alleged "left
the premises" contravention
DIR By: tigerjohn
Date: August 10, 2026, 5:56 am
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Should I respond to this response they made to me?
I am not comfortable to provide my ID details to the company,
and thought since they contacted me, they should be able to
disclose the information I requested, or what to people here
suggest I do.
Thanks.
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