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#Post#: 126349--------------------------------------------------
Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on Cranbrook
Road
DIR By: ST_2023
Date: July 30, 2026, 4:39 pm
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I received a Redbridge PCN for contravention 46n, “stopped where
prohibited on a red route or clearway”, at 18:53 on Cranbrook
Road, Ilford, just outside Ilford station.
I pulled into the area shown in the attached photographs
because, from the road layout, it initially appeared to be
somewhere passenger collection might be permitted. I stopped
only very briefly for about 20sec. Once I had a chance to look
at the sign and noticed the red-route restriction, I immediately
pulled away. Based on the CCTV timestamps, I believe the vehicle
was stationary for only around 20 seconds.
Based on the PCN, signage and very short stop, is there any
realistic case to contest this, or is the general view that I
should pay the discounted amount? I have not yet submitted
representations.
I can't seem to find an option to attach the PCN or the pic of
the signage
HTML https://vimeo.com/1214407957?share=copy&fl=sv&fe=ci
#Post#: 126352--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 30, 2026, 5:06 pm
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Your narrative has a failry good appeal argument, because the
video shows the sign is twisted round so it cannot be read from
your direction of travel, so pulling in an reading the sign,
finding it doesn't allow parking at the time you pulled in, and
then you driving off, is a reasonable case.
However, be aware that London councils and also TfL, game the
system ruthlessly by rejecting virtually all representations,
and then re-offer the discount. They do this because they know
that most people then just cough-up, not being confident of
knowing motoring law sufficiently to win a the tribunal, and
also thinking it will cost them a packet. The plain fact is that
at an adjudication, the full PCN penalty is in play, but there
are no additional costs at all, and if you win you pay nothing.
So submit reps based on your narrative and point out you could
not read the sign until you stopped due to it being twisted
round as their video shows.
#Post#: 126371--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: John_S
Date: July 31, 2026, 4:26 am
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This seems to be an up-and-coming PCN ‘hot spot’. I believe the
signs are double-sided at this location. Nevertheless, IMO the
signs do not comply with the TSRGD because they incorporate
loading and taxis is the same panel. The road markings are also
questionable. For example, IMO the white broken line should be
red (TSRGD: S7-4-6 and S7-5-5).
#Post#: 126372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 31, 2026, 4:40 am
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--- Quote from: John_S link ---
>
> This seems to be an up-and-coming PCN ‘hot spot’. I believe
the signs are double-sided at this location. Nevertheless, IMO
the signs do not comply with the TSRGD because they incorporate
loading and taxis is the same panel. The road markings are also
questionable. For example, IMO the white broken line should be
red (TSRGD: S7-4-6 and S7-5-5).
>
--- End Quote ---
If the signs are double-sided, the side for the OP's approach
would also be unreadable too, as it is twisted round. They can't
deny their own video, but no doubt will say the sign is OK in
their usual mendacious manner.
#Post#: 126378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: Reentrant
Date: July 31, 2026, 5:13 am
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You could also mention that you pulled out at the first
opportunity as soon as passing traffic had cleared.
#Post#: 126379--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 31, 2026, 5:15 am
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Redbridge is I think the only London council that has its own
red route (everywhere else is TFL).
I can't see how they can mark a bay with double red lines and
allow some exempted waiting.
Your stop is too long to just check the sign - why did you stop
and how do you account for what you were doing during the entire
stop?
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#Post#: 126392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 31, 2026, 7:33 am
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Pl post the PCN and leave in everything except your personal
details.
IMO, the clip shows traffic stationary at a set of lights with
the OP's car first in line. The traffic queued behind them. They
then pulled into the area and stopped after 19 seconds. They
were then passed by 7 vehicles, including a bus. In addition, a
pedestrian walked the entire length of their car in the
carriageway on the driver's side not only preventing the car
moving but IMO posing an unknown threat(at this point if I was
driving I'd have been more concerned that my car doors were
locked than anything else). The OP pulled out as soon as the
pedestrian and vehicle traffic allowed.
#Post#: 126515--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: ST_2023
Date: August 1, 2026, 3:39 pm
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--- Quote from: John_S link ---
>
> This seems to be an up-and-coming PCN ‘hot spot’. I believe
the signs are double-sided at this location. Nevertheless, IMO
the signs do not comply with the TSRGD because they incorporate
loading and taxis is the same panel. The road markings are also
questionable. For example, IMO the white broken line should be
red (TSRGD: S7-4-6 and S7-5-5).
>
--- End Quote ---
Do you think those points are strong enough to form a proper
appeal, rather than just a request for discretion? Also, would
you suggest challenging on both the signage and road markings,
with reference to TSRGD S7-4-6 and S7-5-5?
#Post#: 126516--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: ST_2023
Date: August 1, 2026, 3:49 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Redbridge is I think the only London council that has its own
red route (everywhere else is TFL).
>
> I can't see how they can mark a bay with double red lines and
allow some exempted waiting.
>
> Your stop is too long to just check the sign - why did you
stop and how do you account for what you were doing during the
entire stop?
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/9QPnwW2B3WqRkAeZA
>
> [img width=722.993896484375
height=637.993896484375]
HTML https://i.ibb.co/0y7fbLNG/Screenshot-2026-07-31-at-11-12-59.png[/img]
>
--- End Quote ---
Fair point. I pulled in because the sign was twisted and could
not be read clearly from my direction of travel. Once I was
closer the restriction was more visible realised it did not
permit me to stop at that time. Tincombe has helpfully observed
from the footage, traffic was stationary at the lights with my
car first in the queue. I then pulled into the area and stopped.
During that time, several vehicles, including a bus, passed on
my right, and a pedestrian walked alongside the driver’s side of
my car in the carriageway. I pulled out as soon as the
pedestrian had cleared and there was a safe gap in the traffic.
No passenger boarded or alighted, and I was not waiting there
once I understood the restriction.
There is no option to attach the PCN to this post, but here is
the link to the PCN:
HTML https://limewire.com/d/LlKSp#HhzkwdGOf6
#Post#: 126517--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN 46n – stopped for around 20 seconds on
Cranbrook Road
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 1, 2026, 3:54 pm
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IMO, there is no contravention if a driver pulls in to read
signs which otherwise, because of their orientation, are not
readable from a moving vehicle in a busy traffic lane.
You pulled in and left as soon as practically possible after
realising that you could not avail yourself of the exception.
The road marking car crashes i.e. the presence of DRL and white
(instead of red) lines are the icing on the cake IMO.
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