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#Post#: 127155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked more than 50cm from kerb. Norbury Grove, Barnet. Code
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DIR By: Chubs
Date: August 7, 2026, 8:45 am
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Thanks, yes I understand that.
Just that they didn't address the point about all of the car,
they justified it because they say I was causing an obstruction.
As Mr Mustard pointed out, their scooter was parked more than
50cm from the kerb. I'm just uploading photos that demonstrate
that of the 2 of us, the CEO has parked in a way that causes an
obstruction, not me.
Cheers
--- Quote ---
>
> The Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) observed your vehicle
stationary at the above
> location more than 50cm from the kerb. I must advise you that
stopping in this
> manner is not permitted and can cause an obstruction to other
road users; therefore,
> I can confirm that a contravention occurred.
>
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#Post#: 127161--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked more than 50cm from kerb. Norbury Grove, Barnet. Code
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DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 7, 2026, 9:21 am
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IMO waste of Tribunal time should be a ground for costs. Depends
of course what the final NOR will say and their subsequent
conduct of the appeal - if any.
#Post#: 127180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked more than 50cm from kerb. Norbury Grove, Barnet. Code
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DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 7, 2026, 11:10 am
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OP, I hope this is not being too blunt, but pl just deal with
the legal issues:
The contravention descriptions published by London Councils(and
approved by the Mayor of London and the Secretary of State) are
descriptions, they are not the law;
The law in your case is s85(i) of the Traffic Management Act
which by virtue of s85(8) and para. 3(2)(b) of Part 1 of
Schedule 7 to the Act is an enforceable road traffic
contravention.
In simple terms, a 'contravention' is the act of breaking the
law which in this case is:
85Prohibition of double parking etc.
(1)In a special enforcement area a vehicle must not be parked on
the carriageway in such a way that no part of the vehicle is
within 50 centimetres of the edge of the carriageway.
London Councils' description is:
'parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm from the
edge of the carriageway.....'
They've tried to dispense with the double negative of the Act,
but IMO made a pig's ear of the result. The meaning of '..such
that no part of the vehicle is within 50 centimetres..' should
be understandable by even the most challenged CEO and
enforcement authority officers but, as your case shows,
nothing's perfect!
#Post#: 127185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked more than 50cm from kerb. Norbury Grove, Barnet. Code
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DIR By: Chubs
Date: August 7, 2026, 11:48 am
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Not even me!
No, I'm not gonna interfere with the Legal arguments. Mr Mustard
has kindly taken that off my hands.
I'm just posting here bare faced cheek of these people. But I
guess you guys know that all too well already anyway.
Cheers
#Post#: 129072--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked more than 50cm from kerb. Norbury Grove, Barnet. Code
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DIR By: Chubs
Date: August 27, 2026, 5:07 pm
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NTO arrived today. Only 2 letters I've received today, both of
them NTOs!
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Re: Parked more than 50cm from kerb. Norbury Grove, Barnet. Code
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DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 28, 2026, 2:55 am
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Some thoughts..
I refer to the PCN dated **** and subsequent NTO dated ****.
As the authority should be aware, the prohibition which has been
allegedly breached is not based in an Order, but in an Act, in
this case s85 Traffic Management Act 2004 (TMA) which for your
benefit I have reproduced below:
85 Prohibition of double parking etc.
(1)In a special enforcement area a vehicle must not be parked on
the carriageway in such a way that no part of the vehicle is
within 50 centimetres of the edge of the carriageway.
8)The prohibition in this section is enforceable as if imposed—
(a)in Greater London, by an order under section 6 of the Road
Traffic Regulation Act 1984(RTRA);
Therefore, by virtue of s8 of that Act, a contravention falls
within the scope of para. 3(2)(b) of Part 1 of Schedule 7 to the
TMA, as follows:
RTRA
8.Contravention of order under s. 6.
(1)Any person who acts in contravention of, or fails to comply
with, an order under section 6 of this Act shall be guilty of an
offence.
...............
TMA
Other parking contraventions in Greater London
3(1)In Greater London there is a parking contravention in
relation to a vehicle if it is stationary in circumstances in
which any of the offences listed below is committed.
(2)The offences are—
.....
(b)an offence under section 8, 11, 16(1) or 16C of the Road
Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (contravention of certain traffic
orders)
It therefore follows that in order for the authority to
establish the contravention it must refer to s85 of the Act and
consider the 2 legal issues:
1. Was the vehicle parked on a carriageway, and
2. Were all parts of the car more than 50 cm from the edge of
the carriageway?
The CEO's photos show clearly that my car was on a carriageway
and that parts of my vehicle were within 50 cm of the edge of
carriageway.
Therefore, the council's own evidence shows that the
contravention did not occur. The PCN must be cancelled
immediately and unconditionally.
#Post#: 129084--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked more than 50cm from kerb. Norbury Grove, Barnet. Code
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DIR By: Chubs
Date: August 28, 2026, 3:34 am
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Thank you.
Apologies, actually Mr Mustard is making the representations for
this, I should have mentioned that in the post.
I'm guessing this is the argument he will use to challenge it.
Cheers.
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