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BAILIFF - CDER Group Threatening Goods Removal - Do I have any
options? (Originally bus lane PCN in Greenwich)(England)
DIR By: Lewis5899
Date: July 22, 2026, 12:08 pm
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I had a council PCN for a bus lane contravention, which I
appealed, and the council rejected. I did the paper form to the
traffic tribunal as I had difficulties with the website, which
apparently was never received, and they were making it very
difficult to move forward in any meaningful way.
Life got in the way with mental health struggles, family deaths,
and other stuff, and it got forgotten about, then out of the
blue, 2 years later (original PCN was 2024) I get a letter from
CDER Group bailiffs with a notice of enforcement.
The total for the 'compliance stage' was about £280.
I genuinely did not receive the letter (THE ENFORCEMENT NOTICE
LETTER from CDER Group - I did receive the original PCN) until
after the compliance stage date. It had already moved in to the
enforcement stage which almost doubled the fee. I called and
they were of course rather unhelpful, so I sent an email to both
the main office and wellbeing email address about two weeks now
ago explaining the situation and have yet to hear back. I have
called multiple times both before and after the baliff text
discussed next and of course they're being the vultures I would
expect them to be.
I recently missed a call at 21:00 (rather late? and no answer
when calling back), then get a text message that a "county court
warrant has now been issued" and "removal of goods from 6am
today", and that my vehicle (which is a lease) is now on their
enforcement ANPR system for immobilisation/removal for sale at
public auction etc etc. I tried calling back when I saw the
missed call/text about 10 minutes later but no answer. Pretty
poor that they threaten this at a time where it is impossible to
call their office before the 6am threatened time.
This message is definitely genuine, as it references CDER Group,
and when I call CDER Group on the phone number from the
letter/website (which matches each other), they can confirm the
text is genuine, so no concerns there.
While I don't believe I should even have to pay the original
PCN, I know that it's probably just too long ago to do anything
down that avenue anyway, but I do not believe I should have to
pay the enforcement fee, when I did not get the letter. They
also had my phone number and email address and made no contact
that way, nor was their letter sent recorded/tracked.
I will make an official complaint to them about how they have
spoken to me and handled my case, but the more immediate matter
are the bailiff threats.
Do I have any options here?
Do I just need to pay the £500 and suck it up?
Can I take this to court or counter it that I did not receive
the original compliance fee letter in time to be able to pay it?
Something else?
The anxiety is about to burst a vein.
Thank you for any help.
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Re: BAILIFF - CDER Group Threatening Goods Removal - Do I have
any options? (Originally bus lane PCN in Greenwich)(Engla
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 22, 2026, 2:33 pm
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Have you moved address since the PCN was served to you, and if
so, when ?
London bus lane enforcement is a two-stage process; first the
PCN is served, then if ignored, not paid, or representations are
submitted, but rejected, the council can serve an Enforcement
Notice (EN). If this is, again ignored, not paid or reps are
rejected, the council can serve a Charge Certificate.
You have not mentioned anything about the Enforcement Notice;
did you receive one ?
Based on what you have told us, and knowing the PCN was for a
London bus lane contravention, there is now only a single legal
avenue open to you to get the matter reverted to the Enforcement
Notice stage. This process is for you to submit an Out-of-Time
Statutory Declaration to state that you submitted a
representation to the adjudicators, (this is London Tribunals),
but received no response.
The forms to use for this are the PE3 (the Statutory
Declaration), and PE2 (Application to submit an SD out-of-time).
These can be downloaded from the Traffic Enforcement Centre
website: -
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms
Both forms must be witnessed by a solicitor or by a court
official at your local county court
In order to close your liability to the bailiffs, and to stop
any further action like seizure of goods, we recommend that you
pay them now. Payment does not affect consideration of your OOT
SD submission.
In view of the importance of getting the SD submission accepted,
I aso recommend you contact: -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
Their website is a mine of information, and they will, for a
small fee assist you with completing your two forms
Edit
Just to add that if your OOT SD is accepted, you are entitled to
get all the money refunded, but the PCN remains outstanding, so
if the adjudicator decides you have lost, you don't get the PCN
penalty back.
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Re: BAILIFF - CDER Group Threatening Goods Removal - Do I have
any options? (Originally bus lane PCN in Greenwich)(Engla
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 22, 2026, 4:05 pm
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+1, this is procedural and this should be your focus.
In order to close your liability to the bailiffs, and to stop
any further action like seizure of goods, we recommend that you
pay them now. Payment does not affect consideration of your OOT
SD submission.
There is no silver bullet which avoids initial payment, let the
procedure take its course.
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Re: BAILIFF - CDER Group Threatening Goods Removal - Do I have
any options? (Originally bus lane PCN in Greenwich)(Engla
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 4, 2026, 10:48 am
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Aravind, you've answered as a poster, not as the OP whose forum
name is different i.e. Lewis5899
Is this related to the other live thread, yours? Between the 2,
I've become confused
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Re: BAILIFF - CDER Group Threatening Goods Removal - Do I have
any options? (Originally bus lane PCN in Greenwich)(Engla
DIR By: Lewis5899
Date: August 5, 2026, 9:09 am
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I have become confused too, a mod split my post but I didn't see
any changes, yet Aravind's reply is about a completely different
vehicle and not about CDER Group/enforcement action either.
Strange.
As for my query, no I haven't moved address, but I didn't get
any Enforcement Notice from the council directly or I would have
dealt with it. The last communication I had before this CDER
Group letter would have been the rejection letter for my appeal.
When previously researching this topic before I made this post I
was under the impression those forms were only for the initial
PCN and cannot do anything about my situation with the missing
appeal so I will have a look in to those forms and I will report
back to this thread with how it goes in due course.
Thanks!
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Re: BAILIFF - CDER Group Threatening Goods Removal - Do I have
any options? (Originally bus lane PCN in Greenwich)(Engla
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 5, 2026, 11:08 am
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Thank you for clarifying. I have removed Aravind's post which is
duplicated on his own thread elsewhere.
The advice from Incandescent and Tincombe is sound. Paying the
bailiffs stops further action and increasing costs from them,
and if you are successful with yr SD the matter is reset and if
successfully appealed what you have paid may be refunded.
Please answer Incandescent's question about any changes of
address and current name, & address on V5.
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