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#Post#: 127915--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: WaltWhite
Date: August 16, 2026, 6:22 am
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> [quote author=Glitch link=topic=11483.msg125452#msg125452
date=1784793395]
> Redbridge Traffic Orders
HTML https://redbridge.traffweb.app/traffweb/1/TrafficOrders
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> The traffic order shows WD zone starts outside 1a Grosvenor
Road. Their CPZ map shows it starts at the high street. CPZ Map
HTML https://my.redbridge.gov.uk/map/permit-parking-zones
I assume
the Traffic Order takes precedence?
>
> Outside the Montesorri and the church is payment parking. WD
permit doesn't apply (according to Traffic Order). I assume you
parked there?
>
> However, the signs in your (fuzzy) photo appear to be
conflicting. The sign for start of WD appears to be outside the
church. This is wrong.
> They've overlapped it with the payment parking. I can see why
you were confused and thought it was OK to park there.
>
> Need others to sense check it but I'd say it's a slam dunk for
a cancellation of the PCN.
>
> They will probably rely on 'except in signed bays' but I'd
certainly argue the signs cause confusion.
>
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You are correct about where I parked. However I have had
received a rejection, I will post their rejection of my
challenge here now
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#Post#: 127923--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 16, 2026, 9:26 am
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Where are the council's photos??
#Post#: 127925--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: WaltWhite
Date: August 16, 2026, 9:48 am
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> Where are the council's photos??
>
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The council photos show I was parked in a bay which was pay and
display but supposedly inside a oermitncontrolled area. However
a previous poster has said the signage for the permit controlled
area is not in the correct place for the traffic order. I’ve
already challenged the PCN which was rejected. Just wondering on
next steps if any point or just pay reduced penalty
#Post#: 127929--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 16, 2026, 10:28 am
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The PPA isn't relevant. A marked parking place operates by
different rules, namely the restriction conveyed on the sign.
Are we going to see this sign and markings to run our
experienced eyes over or simply take it as a statement that it
was there and conveyed a lawful restriction in the prescribed
manner? You said you found the signage confusing, maybe there
was a reason for this?
I find the concept of marked shared use within a PPA when one of
the users is PPA permit holders difficult to get my mind round.
#Post#: 127935--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: WaltWhite
Date: August 16, 2026, 11:03 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
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> The PPA isn't relevant. A marked parking place operates by
different rules, namely the restriction conveyed on the sign.
>
> Are we going to see this sign and markings to run our
experienced eyes over or simply take it as a statement that it
was there and conveyed a lawful restriction in the prescribed
manner? You said you found the signage confusing, maybe there
was a reason for this?
>
> I find the concept of marked shared use within a PPA when one
of the users is PPA permit holders difficult to get my mind
round.
>
--- End Quote ---
It’s at the top of the thread.
#Post#: 127939--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 16, 2026, 11:53 am
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Out of focus. The PPA sign is not the issue, it's the prevailing
restriction in the 'signed bay' in which you parked and I cannot
sort the in-focus wheat from the chaff, sorry.
#Post#: 127948--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: Glitch
Date: August 16, 2026, 1:26 pm
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These are the council photos.
Does it prove the contravention?
Can you see the bay?
HTML https://i.ibb.co/xtBWgQXz/IMG-6517.jpg
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HTML https://i.ibb.co/0jgHc2bj/IMG-6516.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/HDW5V48D
HTML https://i.ibb.co/HptGGxcc/IMG-6515.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/Fq5880QQ
HTML https://i.ibb.co/3m2NBpc2/IMG-6513.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/4RzTP8pz
HTML https://i.ibb.co/1JYktyd2/IMG-6510.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/qFLv3qW1
HTML https://i.ibb.co/WNGvfjbF/IMG-6511.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/MyZk7QYp
#Post#: 127952--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 16, 2026, 1:57 pm
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The sign is clear. Why they have such a mix in one area is
anyone's guess i.e. PPA, marked shared use, marked pay only.
You could argue (at adjudication) that the markings are not
substantially compliant, but IMO it's a gamble.
#Post#: 127954--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: Glitch
Date: August 16, 2026, 2:24 pm
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But worth formal reps?
Won't Discount be reoffered?
#Post#: 127959--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 11u Parking without parking of payment charge,
Grosvenor Rd, London E11
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 16, 2026, 4:35 pm
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The council won't accept the argument. The legal test is 'as the
order making authority may consider requisite for securing that
adequate information as to the effect of the order is made
available to persons using the road;'. Whether the adjudicator
shares their view??
No guarantees as regards re-offered reduced rate, but more
likely than not. You would also get a shot at examining a NOR
for procedural correctness.
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