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#Post#: 124929--------------------------------------------------
PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: londondriver
Date: July 16, 2026, 10:40 am
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Hi there - thanks in advance for any help!
Situation
- On the 28th April 2026, I parked on Newtown Street (SW11 5HH)
whilst loading my vehicle with an old kitchen that was being
taken to Wandsworth dump the following day.
- Whilst loading, my car bumper was over the double yellow
lines, and subsequently, I received a PCN because of that. There
are no parking signs down this street.
- I saw the ticket being issued and ran out and explained I was
loading my car and can move it now, but the CEO simply said it
had already been issued.
- I was in the long process of waiting for a car parking permit
to be issued. The permit should have taken 2 weeks but it took
12 weeks as the council admitted issuing it to the wrong person
and then also losing my form.
- In my appeal, I mentioned that I was loading my vehicle and I
went into detail about the issue with not yet receiving a
parking permit, and that if I had the parking permit, I would
have not had to park there.
- Of course, the PCN appeal was rejected and a Notice to Owner
has been issued. In hindsight, I should have reached out here
first, but I stupidly thought that based on my appeal and the
council admitting fault, the PCN would be cancelled.
Resources
1. The PCN - I can't find a copy of it, but can request it if
needed.
2. The appeal letter - I can't find a copy of it, but can
request it if needed.
3. The Notice to Owner -
HTML https://ibb.co/JWZBQdPN
4. Parking enforcement protocol in Wandsworth listed on the
councils website. Screenshot of page 6 of the PDF -
HTML https://ibb.co/Z650BQ2t
Next Steps
- I want to make representations to Wandsworth council, but this
time, I am going to focus on the loading part vs the permit
issue, and want advice on how to make it as water tight as
possible.
- I have until the 27th of July to submit this representation.
- On Wandsworth councils website
(
HTML https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/parking/pcns-and-parking-fines/about-penalty-charge-notices-pcns/),<br
/>they have embedded a PDF file called 'Parking enforcement
protocol'. Within this PDF, on page 6, it says that a PCN may be
cancelled if unloading/loading, and outlines a varying
observation period depending on the size of the vehicle from a
minimum of 2 minutes to a maximum of 20 minutes.
- On the PCN received, there was no mention or time frame for
observation period. Just a single time listed.
- The PCN photos show a 1 minute difference from the first photo
to the last photo, which could show they didn't following any
observation period guidelines.
- I have an email confirming that I booked a time slot for a
visit to Wandsworth dump the following day.
- I can get a witness statement for the person who helped me
dismantle and load the old kitchen into my car.
- I have confirmation emails of a new kitchen being ordered.
Questions
1. Does this feel like a valid argument?
2. For the reasons of A-J, what would the suggests be that this
falls under? I believe it's J.
#Post#: 124946--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 16, 2026, 2:53 pm
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Loading/unloading is an exemption to yellow lines, unless there
is also a loading restriction present, indicated by yellow kerb
blips.
PLease post whatever documents you have, (NtO excepted as it is
already in your thread). Also. please post a GSV link to the
exact location, telling us exactly where you were parked.
#Post#: 124949--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 16, 2026, 3:06 pm
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+1. Particularly GSV.
Loading/unloading is an exemption to yellow lines AND an
optional exemption from parking place restrictions.
Forget the permit for the moment, it's not relevant.m
#Post#: 124956--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: londondriver
Date: July 16, 2026, 5:41 pm
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Noted and agreed on the parking permit stance.
I’m afraid that the only document I have is the NtO. I threw
away the PCN ticket, as I thought the appeal would be fine.
Ah, yes, apologies. Here is the GSV link.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/gPZqfJWSEnaqrYuB8?g_st=ic
Here’s a screenshot where I’ve circled in green where part of my
front wheel and front bumper was over the double yellow line.
There are no yellow kerb blips, or any signs regarding loading
restrictions. The street is a dead end road, on a housing
estate.
HTML https://ibb.co/Hfznxr7D
#Post#: 124958--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 16, 2026, 6:57 pm
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As you have the NtO now, it is a no-brainer to take them all the
way to London Tribunals because the discount period has expired.
OK, they may re-offer it when rejecting your formal
representation against the NtO, because if you take them to LT,
it's a PITA for them, because they must produce an evidence pack
and also pay the adjudication fee.
What you need to do is to reinforce your loading case with
collateral, like photos of the goods you were unloading, and
also the detail of what that loading required and why it took
the time it did, plus the letter you mention and the bill for
the new kitchen. Of course the CEO can't really be blamed
because he had completed the PCN seeing a car in contravention
and unattended until you ran out, and they really cannot cancel
them once entered onto their terminal, that has to be the
council parking office.
Also be aware that councils game the system ruthlessly by
rejecting virtually all challenges against a PCN like yours,
because they know that over 95% of people then just cough-up to
get the discount. Most people are totally ignorant of parking
law, and also are terrified of going to adjudication, thinking
it will cost them hundreds of pounds which is total nonsense. At
the adjudicators, the maximum one can pay is the PCN penalty and
no more.
#Post#: 124976--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 17, 2026, 5:01 am
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I’m afraid that the only document I have is the NtO
Pl post this leaving in everything except personal details, on
which point pl confirm it is addressed to you.
#Post#: 124993--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: londondriver
Date: July 17, 2026, 5:58 am
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
Okay, thanks. I’m happy to take it to LT if it gets to that
point. The parking permit delay (which I understand isn’t
relevant) has got me riled up and given me fighting energy!
[member=7970]tincombe[/member]
The link to the NtO was shared above. Here it is again. Let me
know if you can’t access it and I can look to share another way.
HTML https://ibb.co/JWZBQdPN
And yes, it was addressed to myself.
#Post#: 125015--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 17, 2026, 8:47 am
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IMO, the NTO is substantially compliant.
What objective evidence do you have?
I can get a witness statement for the person who helped me
dismantle and load the old kitchen into my car.
If you were dismantling while the car was parked then IMO this
does not qualify as 'loading'.
#Post#: 125021--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: londondriver
Date: July 17, 2026, 9:15 am
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We weren’t dismantling whilst the car was parked. We were
loading into the car but some items were heavier than others
(such as the oven) so we had to figure out how to lift them
between us, hence the delay.
The evidence I can provide is what I previously mentioned so a
booking for the dump for the following day, photos of the old
kitchen, order of the new kitchen and a witness statement.
#Post#: 125400--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst
loading - Newtown Street
DIR By: londondriver
Date: July 22, 2026, 9:40 am
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I've drafted a representation, and any feedback is appreciated!
HTML https://ibb.co/yBd5WDJT
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