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#Post#: 124769--------------------------------------------------
Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: darreninthenet
Date: July 15, 2026, 6:10 am
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Hi all,
Got this through the post today, details are as follows:
1) was on Rochester high street and we saw a small antique desk
in a shop, which we purchased
2) the high street is pedestrianised during the day on a
Saturday and the shop advised we could drive down after 16:00 to
collect it
3) about 16:20 the driver turned into the top of the high street
where there is a no mechanically propelled vehicle sign with a
plate with the time/date restrictions on it.
4) a short distance down the road we encountered an actual No
Entry sign prohibiting driving down the high street any further
that we weren't aware of - the driver u-turned the vehicle and
exited back out onto the main road
5) we then drove around the houses due to various no right/left
turn signs to find out where we could legally turn down the
section of the high street we wanted - desk collected, drove
home.
It's at step (3) above we have the PCN for, where we drove into
the top of the high street, then found out you simply can't
drive the length of it and had to enter halfway down if you
wanted that section of the high street, and turned around. We
took the first No Vehicles sign (the one we have the PCN for) to
mean the restriction only applied Saturdays 10:00-16:00, which
matched the advice of the shop.
Any thoughts please? My immediate reaction is we didn't breach
anything because it was after 16:00!
Thanks for your help!
GSV link of turning with sign from the alleged offence -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tn2ky8meMTcWQGePA
GSV link of the place where the No Entry sign is - note GSV is
out of date and this conditional No Vehicles sign is just a
simple No Entry now -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/7eThfkzqRegsVnn8A
Pics of everything:
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/TrYaJKg_xl.jpeg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/Vr84omm_xl.jpeg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/Ru7i3j4_xl.jpeg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/L5yVdQM_xl.jpeg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/pz7g7L4_xl.jpeg
#Post#: 124780--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 15, 2026, 7:57 am
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GSV link, please.
#Post#: 124788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: darreninthenet
Date: July 15, 2026, 8:25 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> GSV link, please.
>
--- End Quote ---
GSV link of turning with sign from the alleged offence -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tn2ky8meMTcWQGePA
GSV link of the place where the No Entry sign is - note GSV is
out of date and this conditional No Entry sign is just a simple
No Entry now -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/7eThfkzqRegsVnn8A
I've also updated my original post thanks
#Post#: 124816--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 15, 2026, 11:15 am
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IMO, it is NOT a 'No Entry' sign, therefore the alleged
contravention and the signage are at odds.
The sign is to diagram 617 which 'prohibits all vehicles'. See
Items 10 and 11 in the Part 2 sign table of Schedule 3 to the
regs:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/3
As per the Traffic Signs Manual, the sign in situ is used where
'the prohibition applies to the whole of the road in both
directions'. It should NOT be used to 'indicate one-way traffic
flow'
But it is!
IMO,
The alleged contravention did not occur because the prescribed
signs were not in place;
The signs in place may not be used to indicate one-way traffic
flow anyway. So they're not only wrong as regards the alleged
contravention, they're wrong in terms of the requirements of the
Traffic Signs etc. Regs because traffic is not prohibited in
both directions, only one.
#Post#: 124821--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: darreninthenet
Date: July 15, 2026, 11:46 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> IMO, it is NOT a 'No Entry' sign, therefore the alleged
contravention and the signage are at odds.
>
> The sign is to diagram 617 which 'prohibits all vehicles'. See
Items 10 and 11 in the Part 2 sign table of Schedule 3 to the
regs:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/3
>
>
> As per the Traffic Signs Manual, the sign in situ is used
where 'the prohibition applies to the whole of the road in both
directions'. It should NOT be used to 'indicate one-way traffic
flow'
>
> But it is!
>
> IMO,
> The alleged contravention did not occur because the prescribed
signs were not in place;
> The signs in place may not be used to indicate one-way traffic
flow anyway. So they're not only wrong as regards the alleged
contravention, they're wrong in terms of the requirements of the
Traffic Signs etc. Regs because traffic is not prohibited in
both directions, only one.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think my original description muddied the waters a bit and
I've updated it, however just to make sure I'm understanding you
- the PCN says we didn't comply with a No Entry restriction,
however the sign if a No Vehicles restriction, therefore they've
put the wrong contravention on it? Is that correct?
Does the fact it was after 16:00 anyway mean there should never
have been a PCN?
#Post#: 124827--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: RichardW
Date: July 15, 2026, 12:39 pm
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--- Quote from: darreninthenet link ---
>
>
> Does the fact it was after 16:00 anyway mean there should
never have been a PCN?
>
--- End Quote ---
No, because the restriction applies at all times [I]except[/I]
Saturday 10 - 4. But I had to read it 3 times to understand
that; and I'm not driving!
#Post#: 124829--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: darreninthenet
Date: July 15, 2026, 12:56 pm
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--- Quote from: RichardW link ---
>
> [quote author=darreninthenet
link=topic=11449.msg124821#msg124821 date=1784133975]
>
> Does the fact it was after 16:00 anyway mean there should
never have been a PCN?
>
--- End Quote ---
No, because the restriction applies at all times except Saturday
10 - 4. But I had to read it 3 times to understand that; and I'm
not driving!
[/quote]
It's a strange one because all the shops say you can drive down
there any time that isn't Saturday 10-4...! I'm going to go back
in a few days and check the signs around it because it's not
wholly clear.
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Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 15, 2026, 1:01 pm
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..this crossed with others...
I think you misunderstand the associated plate meaning.
See the TSM
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c78f895e5274a0ebfec719b/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
Putting aside the fact that the sign shouldn't be used, its
associated plate means(confusingly IMO) that the prohibition is
24/7 except for those Sat hours. Your 'contravention' didn't
occur on a Saturday.
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Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: darreninthenet
Date: July 15, 2026, 1:04 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> ..this crossed with others...
>
> I think you misunderstand the associated plate meaning.
>
> See the TSM
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c78f895e5274a0ebfec719b/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
>
> Putting aside the fact that the sign shouldn't be used, its
associated plate means(confusingly IMO) that the prohibition is
24/7 except for those Sat hours. Your 'contravention' didn't
occur on a Saturday.
>
--- End Quote ---
It was Saturday 11th July
#Post#: 124833--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 15, 2026, 1:08 pm
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We've had other cases on Medway pedestrian zones but where
they're in a muddle on waiting restrictions and signage.
This looks like a straightforward wrong contravention. Instead
of a:
Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
They've given:
Code 51: Failing to comply with a no entry restriction
Pics of the entry signs would clarify.
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