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Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: BrahmaCool
Date: July 10, 2026, 11:35 am
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Hi All,
Need some help here. Had a Kidney transplant recently (8th
April) whilst coming back from hospital appointment SatNav
routed me through this route, any hope here? I am off work on
sick leave and could have done without all this additonal
stress!
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 10, 2026, 5:35 pm
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Oh dear, yet another "satnav assisted PCN" !
We see so many of these nowadays where drivers seem to obey the
instructions like automatons and ignore roadsigns. Looking at
your case though, the signs do seem to be excessively high, and
a recent (yesterday) case at London Tribunals on this very
subject was won. So there is hope.
Other thing to check on is the presence or absence of advance
warning signs. Unfortunately GSV is out-of-date here so doesn't
show the restriction signs, which means it won't also show any
advance warning signs. So if you want to build a robust appeal
case, you'd need to do some legwork to find out if there are any
advance warning signs of the restriction.
There may be a 'technical' appeal based on Grenwich mismanagment
of the enforcement process. Such appeals are not related to the
allege contravention so can win even if the contravention is
made out. So wait a bit to see what may be suggested, but don't
miss the deadline to pay or appeal on the PCN.
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: BrahmaCool
Date: July 14, 2026, 7:05 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Oh dear, yet another "satnav assisted PCN" !
>
> We see so many of these nowadays where drivers seem to obey
the instructions like automatons and ignore roadsigns. Looking
at your case though, the signs do seem to be excessively high,
and a recent (yesterday) case at London Tribunals on this very
subject was won. So there is hope.
>
> Other thing to check on is the presence or absence of advance
warning signs. Unfortunately GSV is out-of-date here so doesn't
show the restriction signs, which means it won't also show any
advance warning signs. So if you want to build a robust appeal
case, you'd need to do some legwork to find out if there are any
advance warning signs of the restriction.
>
> There may be a 'technical' appeal based on Grenwich
mismanagment of the enforcement process. Such appeals are not
related to the allege contravention so can win even if the
contravention is made out. So wait a bit to see what may be
suggested, but don't miss the deadline to pay or appeal on the
PCN.
>
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There was this advance warning sign which I missed :-[ -
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 14, 2026, 10:10 am
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Sorry to tell you, but that advance warning sign is of the type
we like to see, as it is clear in indicating the nature of the
restriction ahead. So the presence of this sign considerably
reduces the strength of any representations you submit.
So far, nobody has suggested any 'technical' appeal, but submit
representations anyway, because sometimes councils make serious
errors of law when replying to reps
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: BrahmaCool
Date: July 24, 2026, 5:13 am
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My appeal was refused. Planning to pay this off!
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 24, 2026, 5:27 am
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Not yet pl, providing you're within the discount period.
Pl post your reps and their rejection and leave in everything
except the addressee's details e.g. we need the VRM and PCN
number etc.
Plus, are you the registered keeper?
The restriction and optional advance warning signs are not the
same i.e. one does not refer to the exceptions. Whether this is
significant, I don't know.
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: BrahmaCool
Date: July 24, 2026, 5:31 am
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My rep -
Case number: GR25220024
Vehicle registration:
Contravention: 52M - Prohibition on vehicle type (motor
vehicles)
Date and time of contravention: 22/06/2026 16:06
Reason for appeal: 'Any other reason'
Your answers:
-Question 1 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why
you think your PCN should be cancelled'
Answer : 'To Whom It May Concern,Challenge against PCN:
GR25220024 | Vehicle: I am formally challenging this PCN due to
compelling medical mitigation and a procedural defect on the
notice.1. Medical Mitigation: On 22/06/2026, I was driving home
from a vital post-operative appointment following a major Kidney
Transplant on 8th April 2026 at Guy’s and St Thomas’ (evidence
attached). Due to my recent surgery and compromised immune
system, my energy levels were severely strained. I am unfamiliar
with these new local restrictions; they were not on my
navigation system.2. Procedural Impropriety: Under London
traffic legislation, the 14-day discount period must begin from
the Date of Service. This PCN states it begins with the "date of
this notice". By calculating from printing rather than delivery,
the council illegally shortens my statutory windows, rendering
the PCN defective and void.Please cancel this notice.'
will update response in a bit.
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: BrahmaCool
Date: July 24, 2026, 6:25 am
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Re: Winforton St/Blisett Street PCN
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 24, 2026, 10:49 am
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Thanks. You've left your name on the last page of the 'Appeals'
form, but at least this gives us your VRM.
They have re-offered the reduced sum, but I can't work out by
when it should be paid i.e. what is the '14-day period' in the
context of the NOR.
As regards your reps, your first point goes to mitigation only.
And as regards the second:
2. Procedural Impropriety: Under London traffic legislation, the
14-day discount period must begin from the Date of Service. This
PCN states it begins with the "date of this notice"
Firstly, there's no grounds of Procedural Impropriety under
London moving traffic legislation and secondly both payment
dates(full penalty and discount) are based on 'Date of Notice',
not date of service. Paras. 4(8)(iii) and (iv) refer:
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IMO, neither of your grounds of representation flies.
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