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#Post#: 124264--------------------------------------------------
No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: JulianV
Date: July 10, 2026, 5:35 am
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My son is the black car turning right into the side road. He was
visiting a restaurant.
He did not realise the road was closed (due to poorly placed
signage) until he was committed into attempting to enter it. You
can see in the video, he was then forced to reverse. He still
went top the restaurant, situated a few meters up from the start
of the side road and has proof of payment.
Is this appealable?
To view the video:
www.redbridge.gov.uk/parking
PCN: AF22217154
REG: KS 13 GRX
Thanks
#Post#: 124272--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 10, 2026, 6:40 am
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The contravention is performing a prohibited turn, with the
suffix u for u-turn. Looks bang to rights except of course they
must consider the road closure as a right turn is permitted
there. The only way to have avoided this is to drive into the
closed road which looks to have a no entry sign, depending on
whether there was an advance road closed sign and there looks to
be the back of one by the traffic island.
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#Post#: 124346--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 10, 2026, 5:19 pm
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I have to say I think this is a very harsh PCN, a money-grubbing
PCN frankly.It is obvious that the OP did not intend to make a
U-turn, but the road closure can only be seen once the turn has
started. So what in hell was he suppose to do for heavens sake
!!
I would take them all the way to London Tribunals if it were me,
but it's the OP's money.
#Post#: 124363--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: JulianV
Date: July 11, 2026, 2:42 am
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Just received an email from the London Tribunals saying that my
appeal for an alleged YBJ infringement is not going to be
contested by Havering. I am taking that as a sign (pun intended)
and will appeal this one now. If I draft an appeal, will you
guys have a look-see for me?
#Post#: 124393--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 11, 2026, 9:43 am
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Of course we'll look at it - we always encourage people to draft
reps here.
But can you drive that way and check if there is a temp sign on
the traffic island? If there is that's what they'll probably use
in rejecting.
In any case you can make reps with no acknowledgement of any
advance sign as it seems he did not see anything - have you
asked?
#Post#: 124462--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 12, 2026, 5:59 pm
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--- Quote from: JulianV link ---
>
> Just received an email from the London Tribunals saying that
my appeal for an alleged YBJ infringement is not going to be
contested by Havering.
>
--- End Quote ---
I am involved in this one?
#Post#: 124463--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 12, 2026, 6:01 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Of course we'll look at it - we always encourage people to
draft reps here.
>
> But can you drive that way and check if there is a temp sign
on the traffic island? If there is that's what they'll probably
use in rejecting.
>
> In any case you can make reps with no acknowledgement of any
advance sign as it seems he did not see anything - have you
asked?
>
--- End Quote ---
The council will say that the vehicle should have driven into
the right hand side of the road and then reversed. Assuming it
was possible to do so.
#Post#: 124505--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 13, 2026, 8:47 am
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IMO, was a U-turn manoeuvre performed?
I think adjudicators would say yes.
Is there strict liability or could a statutory defence be
submitted at a hearing?
Given that the 'No entry for vehicular traffic' sign is angled
toward the camera, IMO it would not be clear to a motorist
approaching from the opposite direction. But as pointed out by
stamfordman, there is what appears to be a circular sign on the
pedestrian island which would have been visible. If the council
have evidence of this sign and it lawfully prohibits a right
turn then I could see an adjudicator rejecting any argument and
considering the driver to be the architect of their own problem.
But OP, all you can do is test the authority's position with
your reps.
#Post#: 125216--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: JulianV
Date: July 20, 2026, 1:05 pm
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Too clever/silly?
At the time of the alleged offence I was travelling to Miami
Crispy, a restaurant located at 2 Claybury Broadway, Ilford IG5
0LQ.
My journey was to travel along the A1400 Woodford Avenue and
then turn left on Clayhall Avenue.A final right turn onto
Claybury Broadway would get me to my delicious destination.
Unfortunately, upon my right turn onto Claybury Broadway, I was
greeted with a closed road. My only option, as you can see in
the video was to sort or reverse/swing the car around. I then
proceeded back onto the A1400 to access the restaurant from a
different direction.
Some people are born making poor driving choices others have
them thrust upon them. This is very much a case of the latter
and as such I respectfully request that the pcn is voided. I
have proof of the visit to Miami Crispy by way of evidence. If
you happen to be in the area, I can recommend the wings.
#Post#: 125221--------------------------------------------------
Re: No u-turn, road closed, forced to?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 20, 2026, 1:52 pm
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That's what I call winging it...
Who is the registered keeper as reps must come from them.
I would start it like this:
The contravention did not occur owing to circumstances beyond my
control.
Let me explain.
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