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       46J - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
   DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
       Date: December 21, 2023, 11:55 am
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       A few weeks ago I received a PCN by post for having stopped on a
       red route (double red lines).
       I had pulled in behind a car that was indicating to leave the
       space directly ahead of where I pulled in. In all I waited for
       around 20 seconds and then moved on when the driver appeared to
       have had a change of heart (they stopped indicating)
       At some point in those 15-20 seconds, it seems a mobile camera
       drove past and took a 2 second video on my vehicle from the
       front (I can be seen in the drivers seat). At least that is what
       they seem to have when I logged in to view the evidence.
       Is there anything I can do about this one? Honestly not a good
       time financially and my wife just informed me of another ticket
       that just came through to her for apparently overstaying in a
       private car park (going to post that here next)
       PCN attached with name and address scrubbed off
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       #Post#: 12787--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 46J - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: December 21, 2023, 5:08 pm
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       Frankly if you want to fight this one, you'll have to take them
       to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal with the full PCN penalty in
       play.  I agree it seems very unfair, and you might get a
       sympathetic adjudicator who could rule you were "in traffic",
       but it's a long shot.
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       Re: 46J - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
   DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
       Date: December 23, 2023, 1:28 am
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       Would I not be right in saying they'd need to prove I was
       actually stopped there?
       And how long is 'Stopped'
       They drove past me enabling them to record me for less than 2
       seconds.
       #Post#: 12875--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 46J - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: December 23, 2023, 12:11 pm
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       As I said, you will have to take them to London Tribunals and
       risk the full PCN penalty as it is unlikely they will give way.
       However you must first submit representations to them, and get
       rejected,  before you can take them there.
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