DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Speeding and other criminal offences
*****************************************************
#Post#: 123902--------------------------------------------------
3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: MoMoS
Date: July 6, 2026, 2:12 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Hello,
I am making an enquiry for a friend and would be grateful for
any advice.
Whilst undertaking his employment as a courier, my friend has
received 3 speeding notices resulting in 3 single justice
procedure notices (S172 camera detected offences) for speeding:
travelling at speeds of 58, 60 and 63 in what is usually a 70
mile zone, but which had temporarily reduced to 50 miles due to
roadworks. The speed reduced to 50, then increased to 70, then
reduced back to 50 and increased again to 70 between junctions 9
to 11 on the M27.
The speed change signage was not clearly displayed and kept
moving, thus my friend did not realise there were new speed
restrictions in force.
There is no static camera on this stretch of road and presumably
it was a mobile camera that captured the images.
(I don’t know if this is relevant : though there was equipment,
no road workers were seen undertaking roadworks).
A 4th speeding offence on the same stretch of road was negated
by taking a safety awareness course. The 4 offences occurred
within approx 2.5 weeks on the same stretch of road.
My friend is potentially facing 9 points to his driving license,
jeopardising his job as a courier and invalidating his
specialist courier insurances necessary to undertake the job.
I am unsure if this is relevant: he only received the initial
notifications of the speeding offences well after the 14 day
timeframe stipulated had expired as the initial notifications
went to the van hire company address and subsequently had to be
redirected to his home address by the authorities. (He was
renting a van for work purposes).
We will be contacting Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary
for camera calibration details.
The deadline for reply to the single justice procedure notices
is imminent and we would really appreciate any guidance.
Thank you
#Post#: 123905--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: July 6, 2026, 2:34 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Garbage in = garbage out
As explained in the READ THIS FIRST sticky, we cannot simply
magic a defence out of thin air just because being convicted
would be inconvenient.
Do you have any evidence of this unclear signage?
Presumably he had some reason not to accept the COFPs that would
presumably have been offered? Would these reasons suggest a
viable defence strategy, or was he simply badly advised?
#Post#: 123906--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: July 6, 2026, 2:37 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote ---
> I am unsure if this is relevant:
--- End Quote ---
No it's not. The first notice (to he Registered Keeper) is the
only one required by law and so it is the only one subject to
the 14 day limit.
Wes your friend offered fixed penalties for any or all of these
offences? It makes no difference to the points situation as
three points will be imposed for each offence whether they are
dealt with by fixed penalties or in court.
--- Quote ---
> The speed change signage was not clearly displayed and kept
moving, thus my friend did not realise there were new speed
restrictions in force.
--- End Quote ---
Do you men it was not clearly displayed or do you mean that they
kept moving and he did not notice them (or both).
It seems his only possible defence is that the limit was not
properly conveyed. We’d need a lot more information before an
opinion on that could be given. Along with his SJPNs your friend
should have been sent the evidence the police intend to rely on
to convict him. Is here anything about the speed limit display
among that?
--- Quote ---
> We will be contacting Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary
for camera calibration details.
--- End Quote ---
Why? Does your friend disagree with the speeds alleged?
#Post#: 123917--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: MoMoS
Date: July 6, 2026, 4:25 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Thank you for taking the time to respond and advise about the 14
day limit.
In answer to that enquiries:
1. He was offered 3 points for each offence (and a safety
awareness course was taken to negate the 4th speeding offence).
2. Both : he did not notice the speed changes and the notices
kept moving. (He noticed the movement after he was made aware of
the offences as he kept an intentional look out).
He was only made aware of the offences once the redirected
notices were received - by this time, the road layout had
changed again so he was unable to take any pictorial evidence of
the road relevant to the offences.
3. The SJNP paperwork includes pictures of his van with
notification of date, time, travelling speed and location code
for the offence. There is also a separate “offence wording”
detailing date, location,speed limit and speed he was
travelling.
4. Thought this may be advisable as I have heard occasionally
cameras have discrepancies on calibration and location number.
#Post#: 123940--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: JRHartley
Date: July 7, 2026, 2:18 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: MoMoS link ---
>
>
> Whilst undertaking his employment as a courier, my friend has
received 3 speeding notices resulting in 3 single justice
procedure notices (S172 camera detected offences) for
speeding...
>
>
--- End Quote ---
S172 covers the duty to identify the driver of a vehicle.
Do the SJPNs refer to speeding and/or failure to identify the
driver?
#Post#: 123949--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: BertB
Date: July 7, 2026, 4:12 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: JRHartley link ---
>
> S172 covers the duty to identify the driver of a vehicle.
> Do the SJPNs refer to speeding and/or failure to identify the
driver?
>
--- End Quote ---
Reading the thread answers your question. Particularly the post
directly above yours (point 1).
#Post#: 123965--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: July 7, 2026, 7:04 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote ---
> 1. He was offered 3 points for each offence (and a safety
awareness course was taken to negate the 4th speeding offence).
--- End Quote ---
I take it that he declined (or ignored) the fixed penalty offers
because he wanted to have a court hearing to defend or mitigate
the charges.
--- Quote ---
> 2. Both : he did not notice the speed changes and the notices
kept moving. (He noticed the movement after he was made aware of
the offences as he kept an intentional look out).
--- End Quote ---
So it was not so much that the limits were not conveyed
adequately then? It's more the fact that they were not where he
had previously seen them and where he expected them to remain.
Not a very strong defence, I would suggest. In fact, no defence
at all - drivers are expected to keep a lookout for such things.
--- Quote ---
> He was only made aware of the offences once the redirected
notices were received.
--- End Quote ---
Just for information, he should bear in mind that these notices
are not “redirected”. The Registered Keeper will receive the
first notice and will be asked to provide the driver’s details.
The RK may be the hire company, or it may be a lease or finance
company who provides the van to the hire company, so there may
be two links in the chain before your friend. Each of them has
28 days to respond and when they do, a new notice is sent to the
person or organisation they nominate.
Based on what you say, I suggest your friend is going to have to
suck this up. Pleading not guilty to these offences will not
succeed. His defence basically is “The signs were not where I
saw them previously, so I missed them.”
Unfortunately, the exercise is going to cost him a lot more than
£100 each (which would have been the cost of each fixed penalty
that was offered). He will be fined half a week’s net income for
each offence (reduced by a third if he pleads guilty) plus a
surcharge of 40% of that fine. He will also pay a contribution
to prosecution cost of around £95, though I imagine the
prosecutor will ask for just one lot of costs. Three penalty
points will be imposed for each offence.
If he pleads not guilty but is convicted, he will obviously lose
the discount off he fine and surcharge and the costs will be
considerably higher - around £650 and the prosecutor may not be
so easily persuaded to ask for only one lot.
He will have three options on his SJPNs:
1. Plead guilty and not appear in court.
2. Plead guilty and have a court appearance.
3. Plead not guilty.
If he chooses (1) he will be sentenced and informed of he
outcome by post. If he chooses (2) or (3) he will be sent a date
to appear in court.
The only thing I can think that may be worth exploring is
persuading the prosecutor to combine one or more of the offences
either because they occurred “at the same time” or that they
were one continuous offence. But I get the impression from your
description that they occurred on separate days (or why else
would the location of the limits have moved?). So I suspect that
is a non-starter.
#Post#: 124053--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
DIR By: MoMoS
Date: July 8, 2026, 4:51 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Thank you very much for taking the time to make the detailed
reply, We are so grateful. Everything considered, he has put in
a guilty plea. Thank you once again.
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 1