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Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: fox10
Date: July 3, 2026, 9:46 am
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Good afternoon
I hope you are well
I parked my car this afternoon where I have done previously
without any issues for many years but today to my surprise I got
this ticket - here is the location:
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I had parked opposite the sign which said parking is permitted
if you park with wheels on the kerb - there are no bays or other
markings. Please advise on whether I can appeal? Thanks
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: beedmo
Date: July 3, 2026, 10:40 am
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Atherton Road is a quite long road with many side roads coming
off.
If you could post a google street view link to about where you
parked, other members could have a look at signage.
Currently, your photos dont give much information.
Edit: using mobile and missed the street view linked - apologies
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 3, 2026, 10:41 am
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Some thoughts:
So, there are signs indicating that parking with 2 wheels on the
footway is permitted on both sides(the location is linked in the
first post).
On your side, the sign is ahead of your car; on the other side,
it's opposite your car.
As regards placing of signs, this applies:
When a sign provided for in the sign table in Part 2 [this is
you] is placed to indicate the point at which a restriction,
requirement or prohibition begins or ends, the sign must be
placed on the road as near as practicable to that point.
And there you have it in a nutshell.
'As near as practicable' does not mean the actual point at which
parking relief starts, it means what it says. The practicability
point is taken by many councils to mean pre-existing columns.
The problem comes with CEOs who interpret the location of the
sign to mean that relief starts at that point and not somewhere
near.
IMO, you have an arguable defence that the sign opposite
indicates that footway parking relief starts there and not, as
in your case, at the location of the sign ahead of you. If the
sign on your side indicates the point at which footway parking
relief applies then you are likely in contravention and the sign
opposite is wrong and misleading. But if the sign opposite is
placed correctly, then clearly you are not in contravention.
In short, the authority must recognise that the position of the
signs is not determinative and that only by reference to the
council resolution approved pursuant to s15(4) of the 1974 Act
would the prohibited and permitted footway parking areas be
determined. They must therefore refer to this before responding
to the challenge.
I would not go near 'I have parked here before umpteen times
without issue' because you don't have objective evidence. I
would stick with the hard facts and the law.
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: fox10
Date: July 3, 2026, 12:58 pm
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Thanks for the reply, that makes sense. I went out again to
take some more photos so yes further down the side I parked
there is a sign but I parked opposite the sign on the other side
which I took to mean it was okay. Also at the other end of the
same road there is a sign and some double yellow lines so if the
same was on the bit where I parked I would not have parked
there.
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: fox10
Date: July 5, 2026, 10:03 am
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Hi, Please see below my draft appeal, kindly advise before I
submit.
Thanks
PCN No: AF15382445 Vehicle: BK72LWD Challenge
I am challenging this PCN, issued on 03/07/2026 on Atherton Road
for contravention 62(2).
There are signs (TSRGD diagram 667B) indicating that footway
parking is permitted on both sides of this stretch of Atherton
Road: one on my side of the road positioned ahead of where my
vehicle was parked, and one on the opposite side positioned
level with my vehicle.
Under the Traffic Signs Regulations, where a sign indicates the
point at which a restriction, requirement, or prohibition begins
or ends, it must be placed "as near as practicable" to that
point not necessarily at the exact point itself. This means
the physical position of a sign is not conclusive evidence of
precisely where the permitted footway parking area begins or
ends; sign placement is frequently constrained by practical
factors such as existing lamp columns.
In this case, the sign on the opposite side of the road
indicates that footway parking relief applies level with my
vehicle's position. If that sign is correctly placed, my vehicle
was within the permitted area and no contravention occurred.
Only the council's resolution made under section 15(4) of the
Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974 can determine
the actual extent of the permitted and prohibited footway
parking areas on this road the signs themselves are not
determinative of that boundary.
I therefore request that, before responding to this challenge,
the council refers to the relevant s.15(4) resolution/order for
this location and confirms the precise extent of the permitted
footway parking area, together with an explanation of why the
signage on the two sides of the road appears to indicate
different start points for that relief.
I also request disclosure of the Civil Enforcement Officer's
photographs taken at the time.
In light of the above, I request that this PCN be cancelled.
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: fox10
Date: July 8, 2026, 5:45 am
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Hi, hope you are well. Any advice on my draft appeal above
before I submit. Any comments much appreciated. Thanks
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 8, 2026, 5:59 am
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I think it's a decent challenge but at this stage likely to be
ignored and rejected.
We've seen a lot of these footway cases where signs are
arbitrarily slapped on existing posts.
I've checked and apart from a few yellow lines and a school
entrance I can't see any other restrictions in Atherton Road so
it is likely the entire road has the footway ban lifted by
resolution.
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: fox10
Date: July 8, 2026, 9:19 am
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Thanks, I will submit and I agree with you it will probably get
rejected but would it be worth taking all the way to the
adjudicator?
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 8, 2026, 11:47 am
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'but would it be worth taking all the way to the adjudicator?'
IMO,
If they don't refer to the resolution, yes?
If they do and it shows the sign in exactly the correct place,
no.
Pl confirm that you have sent your reps.
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Re: Atherton Road, Redbridge PCN contravention 62(2)
DIR By: fox10
Date: July 11, 2026, 7:39 am
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Reps submitted, thanks
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