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#Post#: 12748--------------------------------------------------
PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: December 21, 2023, 5:48 am
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Hi there,
We have a contract hire where the parking ticket was sent to the
owners i.e. Volkswagen. Volkswagen gave the Parking operators
our name but they seemed to have sent solely a Final reminder
addressed in our name. It doesn't seem like they followed due
process by sending an initial PCN.
Please can you help. The final reminder was sent on the 14th
December and they have given us 14 days to pay (till the 28th
December)
#Post#: 12754--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: December 21, 2023, 7:19 am
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I note you mention 'we' and 'our' - does this refer to a
company? If not, then I assume the hirer of the vehicle is one
named individual, if so is that you?
We'll need some more information about the parking incident in
question (without telling us who was driving).
#Post#: 12911--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: December 24, 2023, 2:57 pm
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The individual is my wife
#Post#: 12912--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: December 24, 2023, 2:59 pm
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My son had a football match and I parked in a big car park that
I thought was linked to football parking but apparently belongs
to players who use the golf park.
#Post#: 12913--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: December 24, 2023, 3:29 pm
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
> (without telling us who was driving).
>
--- End Quote ---
You may wish to amend your previous post based on this
#Post#: 12917--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: Nosy Parker
Date: December 24, 2023, 5:34 pm
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OP, Apart from the gaffe pointed out in by DWMB2 in the previous
post, you've left full details of the PCN reference number and
vehicle registration in the copy of the reminder that you
posted. You should fix these mistakes ASAP.
If I've understood correctly the individual who is the hirer was
not the driver and also didn't receive a notice to hirer. On
that basis, the hirer should write to the parking company along
the following lines.
Dear Sirs
PCN [ ] RE Vehicle number [ ]
I write in response to your purported "final reminder."
I am the hirer of the vehicle but I was not the driver at the
time of the alleged parking event. Therefore, you have no legal
claim against me as driver. As you failed to deliver to me a
"notice to hirer" that conforms to the requirements for a notice
to hirer in Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012,
you have no legal claim against me as hirer.
I require you therefore, to cease communicating with me
concerning this parking charge and to erase my personal
information from your database.
Yours faithfully,
#Post#: 12918--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: December 24, 2023, 6:08 pm
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--- Quote from: challenge_cheaters link ---
>
> Hi there,
>
> We have a contract hire where the parking ticket was sent to
the owners i.e. Volkswagen. Volkswagen gave the Parking
operators our name but they seemed to have sent solely a Final
reminder addressed in our name. It doesn't seem like they
followed due process by sending an initial PCN.
> Please can you help. The final reminder was sent on the 14th
December and they have given us 14 days to pay (till the 28th
December)
>
--- End Quote ---
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#Post#: 12919--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: December 24, 2023, 6:11 pm
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I've removed the attachment with the vehicle details and
reference number showing, and removed the identification of the
driver from the reply in question for you.
#Post#: 13426--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: January 7, 2024, 3:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Nosy Parker link ---
>
> OP, Apart from the gaffe pointed out in by DWMB2 in the
previous post, you've left full details of the PCN reference
number and vehicle registration in the copy of the reminder that
you posted. You should fix these mistakes ASAP.
>
> If I've understood correctly the individual who is the hirer
was not the driver and also didn't receive a notice to hirer. On
that basis, the hirer should write to the parking company along
the following lines.
>
> Dear Sirs
>
> PCN [ ] RE Vehicle number [ ]
>
> I write in response to your purported "final reminder."
>
> I am the hirer of the vehicle but I was not the driver at the
time of the alleged parking event. Therefore, you have no legal
claim against me as driver. As you failed to deliver to me a
"notice to hirer" that conforms to the requirements for a notice
to hirer in Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012,
you have no legal claim against me as hirer.
>
> I require you therefore, to cease communicating with me
concerning this parking charge and to erase my personal
information from your database.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
--- End Quote ---
Many Thanks for the template. My wife adjusted and sent it to
them. They responded with a Notice to owner in her name
(attached). Can they do that (as they hadn't originally followed
the process properly)? Please could you advise of next steps.
Cheers
#Post#: 13428--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking in Golf centre (but received late)
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 7, 2024, 4:49 pm
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--- Quote from: challenge_cheaters link ---
>
> They responded with a Notice to owner in her name (attached).
Can they do that (as they hadn't originally followed the process
properly)?
>
--- End Quote ---
For clarity, it isn't a Notice to Owner, after all, it is a
hired vehicle. They can, insofar as they can mostly do what they
like with it being a largely unregulated industry - but
importantly, that doesn't mean that your wife is now liable for
the charge.
Did they send any additional documents with this new notice
(such as a copy of your hire agreement), or is the attached all
they sent?
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