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#Post#: 123555--------------------------------------------------
Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: Thor
Date: July 2, 2026, 4:13 am
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This one may be hopeless: 12R in Camden. But maybe?
Yesterday I parked on a Blue Badge in a permit-only residents'
bay in what it turned out to be the Camden Green Zone:
Google Maps
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/VMdhJkXzsK8Qakfu8
I know my ignorance of the zone borders is poor defence. Still,
it didn't occur to me that the Green Zone stretches so far from
Bloomsbury centre. To be honest, I spent 15 minutes driving
around and looking for a parking space when travelling with my
disabled child to the Great Ormond Street hospital, and this was
the nearest place I could find.
PCN was issued promptly, within minutes of leaving the car:
View the PCN
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M1dO-kIGpGAuG-G0s4EbjbGCaRScsV8A/view
Are there any grounds for a challenge? Or at least for having
the contravention code changed to 19R, which entails a lower
penalty, given that a Blue Badge was displayed?
Big thanks in advance.
#Post#: 123578--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 2, 2026, 6:35 am
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What was the purpose of parking there. Camden does sometimes use
discretion in the green zone, especially near the boundary and
if there is good mitigation.
The contravention is correct so you can't argue for a wrong
contravention (code 19 would only be applicable anyway for an
expired permit). No details on the PCN can be changed by the way
- only challenged if wrong.
#Post#: 123585--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: Thor
Date: July 2, 2026, 7:55 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> What was the purpose of parking there. Camden does sometimes
use discretion in the green zone, especially near the boundary
and if there is good mitigation.
>
--- End Quote ---
I drove to the Great Ormond Street Hospital with my disabled
child. After dropping off her and her mum at GOSH (on a street -
no parking there), I had to park somewhere and rush back to her
appointment. As unusual as it sounds, this was the first empty
parking bay I spotted after 10-15 minutes of driving around the
hospital.
I hope this will be accepted.
--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> The contravention is correct so you can't argue for a wrong
contravention (code 19 would only be applicable anyway for an
expired permit). No details on the PCN can be changed by the way
- only challenged if wrong.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for explaining.
#Post#: 123599--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 2, 2026, 9:56 am
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From your Google Maps link you were parked in a Res Permit
Holders only bay.
As I understand it, even a BB doesn't grant an exemption in such
bays.
#Post#: 123602--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 2, 2026, 10:38 am
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Camden does allow BB parking in resident and pay bays outside
the green zone.
Have a look at this case where they cancelled and also conerns a
disabled child.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/camden-pcn-code-01-yellow-line
Where you can park with a Blue Badge in Camden
any Blue Badge bay (check if there is a time limit stated on
sign)
designated disabled parking spaces that have been allocated to
you with a permit
residents or paid-for parking space, if it is not in the Green
Badge zone or housing estate. In the Green Badge area, payment
is required to park in paid for parking bays and by displaying a
Blue Badge you get an hour free after the expiry time
on a single or double yellow line within your parking zone (up
to 3 hours), if it is not in the Green Badge zone or housing
estate
#Post#: 123615--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 2, 2026, 12:04 pm
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Mind boggling.
The BB booklet refers to the CoL, RBKC, CoW and 'parts of
Camden' as if they offer a lower level of rights and then states
that BB holders cannot park(under the national scheme) in
'Parking places reserved for specific users such as resident’s
bays or loading bays.' but that holders '..may wish to check
whether a particular local council has chosen to exempt Blue
Badge holders from these restrictions.'
And Camden does!
How the hell a BB holder is supposed to know unless they
research beforehand is a mystery.
How is a motorist to know whether they're in the 'Green' zone,
which is the issue here it would appear.
#Post#: 123624--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: davidmcn
Date: July 2, 2026, 2:00 pm
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Should there be any BB usage anyway if the disabled person was
no longer a passenger?
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Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 2, 2026, 2:20 pm
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Good point.
#Post#: 123661--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: roythebus
Date: July 3, 2026, 6:11 am
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--- Quote from: davidmcn link ---
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> Should there be any BB usage anyway if the disabled person was
no longer a passenger?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes I suspect you'll find there is, as it is usually the
ultimate purpose for which the journey is being made that
counts. Who is the Blue Badge holder?
There's been a number of cases going as far as the European
court on similar matters, maybe not concerning Blue Badges, but
with regards to tachograph use, the use of vehicles for hire and
reward. It all cases it is the ultimate use of the vehicle for
that day and that journey.
#Post#: 123671--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - parked in a residents-only bay (12R) - Blue Badge?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 3, 2026, 7:57 am
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There is no difference in my view between parking and escorting
a disabled person to an appointment and dropping them off and
then parking and attending the appointment.
The case I posted is similar as it involved a disabled child.
Camden also have an arrangement with UCH to allow parking for
cancer appointments and we saw them exercise discretion in
another case where someone parked in the wrong bay.
OP - post a draft here first.
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