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#Post#: 123768--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: SITR
Date: July 4, 2026, 4:53 pm
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The "sweep" for the end of the box is open to interpretation,
but the box starts before the kerbing stops & indeed before the
actual traffic lights.
#Post#: 123815--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 5, 2026, 11:08 am
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Thanks, that’s helpful. I raised that point with the Council,
but they said the area forms part of the “swept path”. I’ve
submitted an EIR request asking for the engineering documents.
#Post#: 125551--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 23, 2026, 6:26 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> I think it's arguable that no offence committed.
>
> It's only an offence to have to stop due to stationary
vehicles. Looks like you are slightly manoeuvring towards the
second lane and the vehicle in front of you in that lane doesn't
stop moving until 19 seconds into the video.
>
> You start moving at 22 seconds but there's a significant gap
between you so you could have started moving again just as the
other car comes to a stop and made it through without having to
stop again.
>
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Hello again. Thank you for your earlier advice.
I've now received the Council's evidence pack. Rather than
addressing the CCTV timing point, they argue that the issue is
not the gap to the vehicle ahead but whether there was
sufficient space beyond the box to accommodate my vehicle when I
entered.
I've attached their Authority Summary. I'd be grateful for your
thoughts on whether this changes your previous view of the case.
#Post#: 125557--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: Neil B
Date: July 23, 2026, 11:35 pm
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--- Quote from: bricemanuk link ---
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> I've attached their Authority Summary.
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Where?
#Post#: 125560--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: July 24, 2026, 1:17 am
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Yes, let's see what they have said.
Sounds like they've quoted the highway code which, for box
junctions, is notoriously an oversimplification of the actual
rules.
#Post#: 125578--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 24, 2026, 5:20 am
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--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
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> [quote author=bricemanuk link=topic=11321.msg125551#msg125551
date=1784849189]
> I've attached their Authority Summary.
--- End Quote ---
Where?
[/quote]
--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> Yes, let's see what they have said.
>
> Sounds like they've quoted the highway code which, for box
junctions, is notoriously an oversimplification of the actual
rules.
>
--- End Quote ---
Please see the link.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b_3R9_g3GoPYZBBPSY_0nMFd0IG-V6kB/view?usp=sharing
#Post#: 125586--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 24, 2026, 6:34 am
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I've also got the reply from FOI regarding oversized box which
council explained it's swept path. I'm not sure if this would
help or not.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AdYYBcw2RYEecDwg5WTZVl5zFou3aGXy/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LsltfmRpbUez85GStzMqkf9WxrscK4BD/view?usp=drive_link
#Post#: 129133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: August 28, 2026, 6:25 pm
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Decision received — appeal dismissed.
It's funny that the adjudicator's reasons didn't address my main
argument at all: although I stopped in the box, I didn't have to
stop due to stationary vehicles, because there was sufficient
space ahead for me to continue moving slowly.
The appeal was a joke, really.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e6-nJCLAa-VlxXSQ97uVZ7lXS4ZoxDGr/view?usp=sharing
#Post#: 129134--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 28, 2026, 6:29 pm
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Can't read your case.You need to set it to 'Public'
#Post#: 129137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: August 28, 2026, 6:55 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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> Can't read your case.You need to set it to 'Public'
>
--- End Quote ---
Fixed.
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