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Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 1, 2026, 10:27 am
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Hi all,
I'd appreciate some advice.
I received a yellow box PCN from Trafford Council. My formal
representations were rejected.
My main argument is that this yellow box seems much larger than
necessary. The position where my car stopped doesn't appear to
block the junction or any crossing traffic.
I challenged the extent of the yellow box, and the Council
replied saying that the area where my car stopped forms part of
the "swept path" for vehicles exiting the junction. However,
they haven't provided any engineering evidence to support that
and instead told me to submit an FOI request.
I've attached:
Google Maps showing the junction.
The Council's CCTV image showing where my car stopped.
The Council's latest reply mentioning the "swept path".
Do you think I have reasonable grounds to take this to the
Traffic Penalty Tribunal? Has anyone dealt with a similar
argument about the size or extent of a yellow box?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: July 1, 2026, 10:35 am
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Does the council make the video evidence available online? I've
not dealt with Trafford council before but I'd expect it to be
available assuming they have an online PCN portal you can log
into.
We need to see it to check the circumstances - quite often it
opens up new angles for your appeal.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 1, 2026, 12:58 pm
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Thanks for the prompt reply. Please see the video below.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: July 1, 2026, 1:03 pm
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Which is your vehicle? There's a few which get stuck on the box.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 1, 2026, 1:16 pm
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The black car in the centre.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: July 1, 2026, 1:30 pm
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I think it's arguable that no offence committed.
It's only an offence to have to stop due to stationary vehicles.
Looks like you are slightly manoeuvring towards the second lane
and the vehicle in front of you in that lane doesn't stop moving
until 19 seconds into the video.
You start moving at 22 seconds but there's a significant gap
between you so you could have started moving again just as the
other car comes to a stop and made it through without having to
stop again.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 2, 2026, 6:20 am
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Thanks, that's an interesting point. My intention was to avoid
blocking the exit once I realised the traffic ahead had slowed.
I hadn't looked at it from that angle before. Do you think
that's a point an adjudicator would be likely to accept?
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 4, 2026, 9:22 am
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Any other thoughts on this? I’d really appreciate any advice
before I take it to Tribunal. Thanks.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: SITR
Date: July 4, 2026, 4:31 pm
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I'm far from an expert, but isn't the box itself oversized? It
extends both before and after the junction of the road to the
left. My understanding is that a box that extends beyond the
width of the junction is incorrectly marked & therefore
unenforceable.
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Re: Yellow Box PCN
DIR By: bricemanuk
Date: July 4, 2026, 4:49 pm
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Thanks. That’s actually the point I’ve been questioning as well.
Trafford Council says the area where I stopped forms part of the
“swept path”, but they haven’t provided any engineering evidence
to support that. I’ve submitted an EIR request to ask for the
design documents.
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