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#Post#: 123427--------------------------------------------------
Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road - 46:
Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: FiveStarSAMz
Date: June 30, 2026, 5:30 pm
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Hello guys, I seek your advice on the PCN my dad received from
TFL.
Contravention: "46:Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway." at location: OPP COBALT SQUARE SOUTH LAMBETH ROAD SW8
on 07/06/2026.
Dad had a job with Uber picking up at that location; I have a
screenshot of the job. The job was on 07/06/2026 at 07:35.
According to TFL website, private hire drivers are exempt from
stopping on double red lines for picking up and dropping off
passengers.
See:
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/exemptions#:~:text=You%20can%20pick%20up%20and%20drop%20off%20passengers%20on%20most%20red%20routes%20as%20long%20as%20you%20display%20your%20private%20hire%20vehicle%20(PHV)%20license.
Also see page 26 on the PHV (Private hire vehicle) handbook
provided by TFL:
HTML https://content.tfl.gov.uk/phv-driver-handbook-v1.pdf
Evidence from TFL:
1.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/spb4Z7ZM/WP19-NLD-TFL-PCN-LAMBETH-road-3.jpg
2.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/RT9Z5rkJ/WP19-NLD-TFL-PCN-LAMBETH-road-2.jpg
3.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/XxVp1Z1X/WP19-NLD-TFL-PCN-LAMBETH-road.jpg
The first picture in the evidence taken was at time 07:36:34.5
BST and the third picture was taken on 07:37:08.7 BST. The car
can be seen with brake lights on inside the white bay. No double
red lines appear to be within the lines.
I have checked on Google Maps with the Street View image of
August 2025, and it seems as though the double red lines within
the bays is almost non-existent. There is also a board next to
the bay that has the parking "P" icon and on the sign it says
"Red Route" and "2 mins" and "Pick up or Set down only". as far
as my dad remember, he was waiting for the passenger and moved
off.
Can you help me with an appeal to send to TFL?
The car reg is WP19 NLD.
The PCN number is GX36837978.
Date of notice is 17/06/2026 so I don't have long left for the
21 days discount period to finish.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/ksGCd7TB/Lambeth-wp19-nld-tfl-PCN.jpg
#Post#: 123448--------------------------------------------------
Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: July 1, 2026, 3:42 am
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You have highlighted the part that says
--- Quote ---
> You can pick up and drop off passengers on most red routes as
long as you display your private hire vehicle (PHV) license. It
will tell police, CCTV operators and other road users that
you're allowed to do this. It also means that you'll avoid
receiving a penalty charge.
--- End Quote ---
Maybe that's a clue, especially from the photo.
#Post#: 123452--------------------------------------------------
Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 1, 2026, 4:14 am
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So why no PHV licence plate on the back of the vehicle ? AFAIK,
this is a legal requirement.
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Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 1, 2026, 4:51 am
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Date of notice is 17/06/2026 so I don't have long left for the
21 days discount period to finish.
The 21-day period ends on 9 July. So you have plenty of time to
look at the basics.
To whom is the PCN addressed, you or your father and is the
vehicle owned or possibly hired?
Which of you holds the PHV licence?
Why wasn't it displayed?
#Post#: 123482--------------------------------------------------
Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: FiveStarSAMz
Date: July 1, 2026, 9:47 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> So why no PHV licence plate on the back of the vehicle ?
AFAIK, this is a legal requirement.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: The Slithy Tove link ---
>
> You have highlighted the part that says
> [quote]You can pick up and drop off passengers on most red
routes as long as you display your private hire vehicle (PHV)
license. It will tell police, CCTV operators and other road
users that you're allowed to do this. It also means that you'll
avoid receiving a penalty charge.
--- End Quote ---
Maybe that's a clue, especially from the photo.
[/quote]
So for TFL, they stopped issuing the "Exterior" sticker since
like 4-5 years ago, and the interior sticker is sufficient.
There is a sticker on the car back window which is stuck from
the inside, and because of the tinted window, it is not easy to
see... but according to TFL that is sufficient. TFL are very
strict with these PHV drivers and vehicles. The website I
highlighted is pretty old (TFL cannot be asked to update it),
but the fact that PHV drivers can still stop on double red lines
is still relevant. The handbook is the most up to date (still
about a couple of years old).
If you look at the example below, the small sticker on the top
passenger side corner is the new sticker distributed by TFL. The
same sticker goes on the back tailgate window, from the
inside... it's already difficult to see without tints, so having
tinted windows makes it more difficult.
--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> Date of notice is 17/06/2026 so I don't have long left for the
21 days discount period to finish.
>
> The 21-day period ends on 9 July. So you have plenty of time
to look at the basics.
>
> To whom is the PCN addressed, you or your father and is the
vehicle owned or possibly hired?
>
> Which of you holds the PHV licence?
>
> Why wasn't it displayed?
>
--- End Quote ---
The PCN is addressed to my Father. He is the driver, owner, and
registered keeper. He also holds the PHV licence. I am just
helping him with the appeal. I am also a PHV licence holder, but
I have my own car and have nothing to do with this one. PHV was
displayed, just difficult to see.
#Post#: 123483--------------------------------------------------
Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: FiveStarSAMz
Date: July 1, 2026, 9:51 am
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Example:
HTML https://m.atcdn.co.uk/a/media/w1024/4b093152b99541c4bd2b159648577786.jpg
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Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 1, 2026, 11:45 am
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Ok, so you shouldn't have any problem getting this PCN
cancelled, (hopefully !!). The relevant information on the
sticker should be quoted, plus include a photo of the sticker.
#Post#: 123500--------------------------------------------------
Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: FiveStarSAMz
Date: July 1, 2026, 12:27 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Ok, so you shouldn't have any problem getting this PCN
cancelled, (hopefully !!). The relevant information on the
sticker should be quoted, plus include a photo of the sticker.
>
--- End Quote ---
Opinions on this draft?
Re: Penalty Charge Notice GX36837978
Vehicle Registration: WP19 NLD
I make these representations on the ground that the alleged
contravention did not occur.
At the time of the alleged contravention, I was working as a
Transport for London licensed Private Hire Vehicle (PHV) driver,
undertaking a genuine pre-booked Uber journey. I had accepted a
booking to collect a passenger at this location at approximately
07:35 on 7 June 2026. A copy of the Uber trip details is
enclosed in support of these representations.
The vehicle concerned is a TfL-licensed Private Hire Vehicle,
and I was the licensed private hire driver operating it at the
time. The vehicle displays the official TfL PHV licence
discs/stickers that were issued and affixed as part of the TfL
licensing and inspection process. These are fitted to the inside
of the front and rear windows, as required by TfL. However, due
to the stickers being mounted behind the glass and the vehicle
having tinted rear windows, they may not be readily visible from
a remotely positioned CCTV enforcement camera. To avoid any
doubt, I enclose copies of the vehicle's PHV licence, my TfL
Private Hire Driver Licence, and photographs showing the
official TfL licence stickers displayed on the vehicle.
The CCTV evidence shows my vehicle stopped for only around 34
seconds, with the brake lights illuminated throughout. This is
entirely consistent with a driver stopping briefly for the
purpose of collecting a passenger. The vehicle was not parked,
unattended or left for any prolonged period.
The location is a marked white bay with a sign stating "Red
Route – 2 mins – Pick up or Set down only." The sole purpose of
my stop was to collect my pre-booked passenger, which is exactly
the activity the bay is intended to facilitate.
Furthermore, the road markings at this location do not
adequately convey the restriction. There are no visible double
red lines within the white bay where my vehicle stopped. A
reasonable motorist would understand a marked white bay,
together with a sign expressly permitting stopping for passenger
pick-up or set-down, to be a permitted stopping place. If TfL
intends to impose additional restrictions within that bay, those
restrictions must be clearly indicated by the prescribed road
markings.
The courts have confirmed that traffic restrictions must be
adequately conveyed to motorists. In Herron v Sunderland City
Council [2011] UKSC 2, the Supreme Court held that road signs
and markings must substantially comply with the statutory
requirements so that a reasonably diligent motorist is properly
informed of the restriction. In this case, the absence of
visible double red lines within the bay means the restriction
was not adequately communicated.
The CCTV evidence also fails to demonstrate that any
contravention occurred. The still images merely show a vehicle
stopped for approximately 34 seconds within a designated
pick-up/set-down bay. They do not establish that the stop
exceeded the permitted period, that the vehicle was parked, or
that it was being used for any purpose other than collecting a
passenger in connection with a pre-booked private hire journey.
In light of the evidence provided, namely:
- the Uber booking confirming a genuine pre-booked passenger
collection;
- confirmation that the vehicle and driver were both licensed by
Transport for London as a Private Hire Vehicle and Private Hire
Driver;
- the very short duration of the stop;
- the vehicle being positioned within the designated
pick-up/set-down bay;
- the absence of visible double red route markings within the
bay; and
- the failure of the evidence to establish that the restriction
was adequately conveyed or that any applicable exemption did not
apply,
I respectfully request that Transport for London cancel this
Penalty Charge Notice.
Should TfL decide not to cancel the notice, please provide:
- A copy of the full CCTV recording relied upon, rather than
still photographs.
- A copy of the relevant Traffic Management Order governing this
bay.
- Confirmation of the exemption(s) considered during your
assessment.
- An explanation of why the evidence of a genuine pre-booked
passenger collection by a licensed TfL Private Hire Vehicle has
been rejected.
I trust that, upon reviewing the enclosed evidence, you will
conclude that no contravention occurred and that this Penalty
Charge Notice should be cancelled.
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Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 1, 2026, 1:16 pm
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Ok, ram it in !
#Post#: 123509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road -
46: Stopped where prohibited
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 1, 2026, 1:31 pm
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If this is just a case of the driver being authorised to stop,
why not just make this case? How does debating the signage,
which would seem to be subjective, bear on this?
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