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#Post#: 123113--------------------------------------------------
PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: TigerShark
Date: June 27, 2026, 9:07 am
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Please help me appeal this
PCN and photos:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/kaGNyD0
I genuinely didn't see the sign because of the tight turn from
Whitecross Street turning left onto Old St. I was only in the
bus lane briefly - 10 seconds or less before turning left again
onto Golden Lane.
Road worn out and white paint also not super easy to see.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/AKmrP47RgJD4cFkBA
Thank you
#Post#: 123120--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: AmikoFrizz
Date: June 27, 2026, 9:48 am
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Not at all an expert here, but from my point of view as an
amateur, I noted two points.
The photos and the video do not show any upright 958 warning
sign or 959B signage allegedly passed and in place.
I think the PCN that has been served might have a procedural
impropriety, specifically are missing some of the statutory
grounds of appeal at regulation 5(4)(a), (c), (d), (e), (f),
(g), (h) and (i) of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic
Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England)
Regulations 2022.
But, again, not an expert here, so better wait for further
replies from the senior members of this forum.
#Post#: 123147--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 27, 2026, 5:14 pm
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The only place you're going to get an unbiased hearing is at
London Tribunals with the full PCN penalty in play. The first
thing you're going to have to explain is how you missed this
sign: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/iR1q1AKFeLNYJkKBA
and also this one which is a short distance down Old Street
after the turn from Whitecross Street: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/NAefKQybSgqvA2HU7
I've assumed these signs are still present, the GSV views are
2022 for Whitecross Street, and 2025 for Old Street
Exit from a side street into a street with a bus lane does not
require the council to install a Bus Lane sign immediately on
the left turn, but they must advise motorists intending to turn
left that there is a bus lane after the turn. Here they seem to
have done so, but I have my dounbt as to whether the sign in
Whitecross Street is a traffic sign as defined in The Traffic
Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016
As you day, GSV shows the serious deterioration in the road
markings, some of the worst I have seen in bus lane cases.
Assuming you get to London Tribunals, there is also another
arrow in your quiver, but assuming Hippocrates sees this, I'l
let him explain it to you by PM
However, your first move is to submit representations to the
council on the basis of what you have told us in your opening
narrative. Did you drive your car out of the bus lane when you
saw the sign on Old Street ?
#Post#: 123151--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 27, 2026, 5:43 pm
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Indeed. Hold fire please.
#Post#: 123172--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: TigerShark
Date: June 28, 2026, 4:49 am
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Thanks for the responses so far. Will hold
#Post#: 123173--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: TigerShark
Date: June 28, 2026, 4:51 am
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@ Incandescent. I didn’t but that’s because I was turning left
onto Golden Lane. The left turn lane is basically the bus lane.
So basically it was the stretch from Whitecross St past
EasyHotel then left turn into Golden Lane which I was in the bus
lane for.
#Post#: 123175--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 28, 2026, 5:43 am
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--- Quote from: TigerShark link ---
>
> @ Incandescent. I didn’t but that’s because I was turning left
onto Golden Lane. The left turn lane is basically the bus lane.
So basically it was the stretch from Whitecross St past
EasyHotel then left turn into Golden Lane which I was in the bus
lane for.
>
--- End Quote ---
OK, but fear not, because Hippocrates has a very strong appeal
for bus lane PCNs, so will be in touch.
#Post#: 123189--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 28, 2026, 7:41 am
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Looked t video and website: screenshot the page for making
representations as it has NO GROUNDS. Save it.
The alleged contravention is not proved as the video shows no
evidence of any upright signs at all allegedly passed. The
signage in terms of the legend is wholly unfit for purpose in
any event. Please cancel.
#Post#: 123233--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: TigerShark
Date: June 28, 2026, 3:38 pm
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Thanks for the responses
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/BooWGVH
Took some more pics
The “Bus lane” sign is bent leftwards on Whitecross Street. Also
such a dumb position because I can’t see it from the driver side
easily
From the left turn angle the blue sign is not visible and by the
time in it it’s too late.
The white lines for the bus lane are super faint
The tarmac which is meant to be red is very faded
I could make the argument that I was in it for 10m or less also
having looked at placement of camera.
Worth adding any of these to Hippocrates rebuttal? Thanks
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Re: PCN - Being in bus lane - Islington - 34J - Old Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 28, 2026, 4:48 pm
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Yes, put in everything, but don't expect Islington to roll-over
and cancel. London councils and TfL between them are getting
hundreds of millions of pounds from PCNs, between £600-700
million per annum, although this is an approximation, no overall
figures are published, (I wonder why !!).
You must be prepared to risk the full PCN penalty at London
Tribunals.
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