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       #Post#: 122958--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: 909ak
       Date: June 25, 2026, 7:47 am
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       --- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
       >
       > [quote author=909ak link=topic=11261.msg122941#msg122941
       date=1782380534]
       > And final question before I bite the bullet and make a formal
       representation in prep for it to go to London Tribunals.
       >
       > By doing so I risk the full price of the PCN. I'm assuming
       this means the £160 that is due right now and nothing more? At
       which point, I have nothing to lose by making another
       representation anyway right?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yes, correct, all that is at risk is the £160 penalty, there are
       no additional costs. The system for PCN adjudications has been
       like this since 1991. And, of course if you win, you pay
       nothing, but the council must pay the adjudication fee win or
       lose.
       [/quote]
       Perfect, thanks for that. Appreciate all the help.
       In that case then, is there anything anyone can recommend that I
       add to my formal representation before I send something off? Or
       is this more so just whatever the council says at this point
       given that based on the evidence provided, a traffic
       contravention had occurred?
       #Post#: 122976--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: AmikoFrizz
       Date: June 25, 2026, 9:35 am
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       The video evidence shows no upright signs passed, so this should
       certainly be one element of your representations, the other can
       be, according to what you reported and we could see on your
       video from the dashcam, the manoeuvre was wholly necessary as
       the traffic was all channelled on the bus lane...
       #Post#: 122978--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: 909ak
       Date: June 25, 2026, 9:54 am
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       --- Quote from: AmikoFrizz link ---
       >
       > The video evidence shows no upright signs passed, so this
       should certainly be one element of your representations, the
       other can be, according to what you reported and we could see on
       your video from the dashcam, the manoeuvre was wholly necessary
       as the traffic was all channelled on the bus lane...
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Excuse my ignorance. Could you elaborate on the "upright signs
       passed" comment?
       Additionally, I believe I did mention (in my original informal
       rep) that the maneuver was necessary, however, in their response
       they stated the following:
       --- Quote ---
       > The CCTV evidence shows that although the vehicle may
       initially have entered the
       > left lane in response to the roadworks layout, it remained
       within the bus lane after the
       > adjacent traffic lane became available, rather than merging
       back into the unrestricted
       > lane at the earliest opportunity.
       >
       > Accordingly, while the initial positioning may have been
       influenced by the temporary
       > road layout, the continued use of the bus lane beyond that
       point was not required by
       > the roadworks or signage.
       >
       > The council is therefore satisfied that the vehicle travelled
       within the bus lane during
       > restricted hours when it was possible to return to the general
       traffic lane.
       --- End Quote ---
       Would they not just argue again that the maneuver wasn't
       necessary post-roadworks? I understand that based on
       Incandescent's original reply that the council will be
       completely biased, for obvious reasons, but I guess this may
       still be necessary to reiterate regardless?
       Do I also have any grounds based on my dash cam footage which
       shows a vehicle approaching the opposite lane to make the
       left-turn which would make my merge into the correct lane
       unsafe? Or would they have expected me to wait for the vehicle
       to turn in and then merge back?
       #Post#: 122988--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: AmikoFrizz
       Date: June 25, 2026, 11:20 am
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       --- Quote from: 909ak link ---
       >
       > Excuse my ignorance. Could you elaborate on the "upright signs
       passed" comment?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The video evidence does not support the alleged contravention
       because it does not show any upright signage. They well know it,
       and should have cancelled this at the informal challenge stage.
       Let them prove to London Tribunals that upright signage was
       correctly in place at that time and on that very day.
       --- Quote from: 909ak link ---
       >
       > Additionally, I believe I did mention (in my original informal
       rep) that the maneuver was necessary, however, in their response
       they stated the following:
       >
       > [...]
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm not really sure it was easily and safely possible to return
       to the general traffic lane, as they say, with those poles in
       the middle and oncoming traffic.
       London Tribunals is a totally different thing, and in this new
       game, what the Council said in their initial responses doesn't
       count. It will be totally up to the adjudicator.
       #Post#: 123001--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: 909ak
       Date: June 25, 2026, 2:40 pm
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       --- Quote from: AmikoFrizz link ---
       >
       > [quote author=909ak link=topic=11261.msg122978#msg122978
       date=1782399274]
       > Excuse my ignorance. Could you elaborate on the "upright signs
       passed" comment?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The video evidence does not support the alleged contravention
       because it does not show any upright signage. They well know it,
       and should have cancelled this at the informal challenge stage.
       Let them prove to London Tribunals that upright signage was
       correctly in place at that time and on that very day.
       --- Quote from: 909ak link ---
       >
       > Additionally, I believe I did mention (in my original informal
       rep) that the maneuver was necessary, however, in their response
       they stated the following:
       >
       > [...]
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm not really sure it was easily and safely possible to return
       to the general traffic lane, as they say, with those poles in
       the middle and oncoming traffic.
       London Tribunals is a totally different thing, and in this new
       game, what the Council said in their initial responses doesn't
       count. It will be totally up to the adjudicator.
       [/quote]
       What upright signage would they have been expected to show in
       order to support their claim?
       In my original representation, I provided one out of the last
       two images in my original post to them to show that roadworks
       had forced road users into the bus lane. Would that not be
       adequate in showing upright signage, or would their CCTV
       evidence have to provide that?
       And I agree, it was definitely not possible to return safely.
       Will include that in my formal rep. Thank you.
       #Post#: 123095--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: June 26, 2026, 4:40 pm
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       I am offering to deal with this one. At this stage, admit to
       nothing. I have had a gruelling week with cases and next week is
       not going to be any less so. I will take a look over the weekend
       at the video and case in depth.
       #Post#: 123099--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: 909ak
       Date: June 26, 2026, 6:12 pm
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       --- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
       >
       > I am offering to deal with this one. At this stage, admit to
       nothing. I have had a gruelling week with cases and next week is
       not going to be any less so. I will take a look over the weekend
       at the video and case in depth.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       That's amazing. I have yet to submit another representation.
       Date of EN is 18/06 so I have until 16/07 to make my rep.  I
       will wait for your reply over the weekend, or whenever you are
       able to take a look.
       Thanks all for the replies, and hard work. Much appreciated.
       #Post#: 123368--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: 909ak
       Date: June 30, 2026, 6:19 am
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       Good news!
       Seems the council probably received one too many appeals for
       this specific instance and realised it would probably be
       loss-making? Not too sure on the process but that's my
       assumption. Either way, [member=24]Hippocrates[/member], feel
       free to ignore this case as it is now closed. Just received a
       letter from the Council as shown below:
       [img width=600
       height=450]
  HTML https://i.postimg.cc/8Cry3N4c/IMG-1584.avif[/img]
       #Post#: 123370--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: AmikoFrizz
       Date: June 30, 2026, 7:21 am
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       Great news indeed. Very unusual, I imagine something happened.
       Still, I can't understand how they could believe it was possible
       to easily and safely return to the general traffic lane from the
       diversion in the bus lane, as they initially said: with traffic
       delineators in the middle, oncoming traffic and just a micro
       "keep clear" zone available (with traffic moving in), there's
       not much space to slip out of the bus lane.
       #Post#: 123387--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
       End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: June 30, 2026, 9:41 am
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       --- Quote from: 909ak link ---
       >
       > Good news!
       >
       > Seems the council probably received one too many appeals for
       this specific instance and realised it would probably be
       loss-making? Not too sure on the process but that's my
       assumption. Either way, [member=24]Hippocrates[/member], feel
       free to ignore this case as it is now closed. Just received a
       letter from the Council as shown below:
       >
       > [img width=600
       height=450]
  HTML https://i.postimg.cc/8Cry3N4c/IMG-1584.avif[/img]
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This is BS. Contact your MP and the Press. And
       [member=7]mrmustard[/member] who may well blog this story.
       If this were mine, I would sue them.  I sue anything that moves:
       banks, schools, garages, councils, ex-wives - whatever. I win
       too. Especially the last one: I achieved residence of two lovely
       children when they were quite young.  "Custardy Dad? Semolina
       surely." Thank God he has my sense of humour. When he was 7.
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