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#Post#: 122958--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: 909ak
Date: June 25, 2026, 7:47 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=909ak link=topic=11261.msg122941#msg122941
date=1782380534]
> And final question before I bite the bullet and make a formal
representation in prep for it to go to London Tribunals.
>
> By doing so I risk the full price of the PCN. I'm assuming
this means the £160 that is due right now and nothing more? At
which point, I have nothing to lose by making another
representation anyway right?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, correct, all that is at risk is the £160 penalty, there are
no additional costs. The system for PCN adjudications has been
like this since 1991. And, of course if you win, you pay
nothing, but the council must pay the adjudication fee win or
lose.
[/quote]
Perfect, thanks for that. Appreciate all the help.
In that case then, is there anything anyone can recommend that I
add to my formal representation before I send something off? Or
is this more so just whatever the council says at this point
given that based on the evidence provided, a traffic
contravention had occurred?
#Post#: 122976--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: AmikoFrizz
Date: June 25, 2026, 9:35 am
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The video evidence shows no upright signs passed, so this should
certainly be one element of your representations, the other can
be, according to what you reported and we could see on your
video from the dashcam, the manoeuvre was wholly necessary as
the traffic was all channelled on the bus lane...
#Post#: 122978--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: 909ak
Date: June 25, 2026, 9:54 am
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--- Quote from: AmikoFrizz link ---
>
> The video evidence shows no upright signs passed, so this
should certainly be one element of your representations, the
other can be, according to what you reported and we could see on
your video from the dashcam, the manoeuvre was wholly necessary
as the traffic was all channelled on the bus lane...
>
--- End Quote ---
Excuse my ignorance. Could you elaborate on the "upright signs
passed" comment?
Additionally, I believe I did mention (in my original informal
rep) that the maneuver was necessary, however, in their response
they stated the following:
--- Quote ---
> The CCTV evidence shows that although the vehicle may
initially have entered the
> left lane in response to the roadworks layout, it remained
within the bus lane after the
> adjacent traffic lane became available, rather than merging
back into the unrestricted
> lane at the earliest opportunity.
>
> Accordingly, while the initial positioning may have been
influenced by the temporary
> road layout, the continued use of the bus lane beyond that
point was not required by
> the roadworks or signage.
>
> The council is therefore satisfied that the vehicle travelled
within the bus lane during
> restricted hours when it was possible to return to the general
traffic lane.
--- End Quote ---
Would they not just argue again that the maneuver wasn't
necessary post-roadworks? I understand that based on
Incandescent's original reply that the council will be
completely biased, for obvious reasons, but I guess this may
still be necessary to reiterate regardless?
Do I also have any grounds based on my dash cam footage which
shows a vehicle approaching the opposite lane to make the
left-turn which would make my merge into the correct lane
unsafe? Or would they have expected me to wait for the vehicle
to turn in and then merge back?
#Post#: 122988--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: AmikoFrizz
Date: June 25, 2026, 11:20 am
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--- Quote from: 909ak link ---
>
> Excuse my ignorance. Could you elaborate on the "upright signs
passed" comment?
>
--- End Quote ---
The video evidence does not support the alleged contravention
because it does not show any upright signage. They well know it,
and should have cancelled this at the informal challenge stage.
Let them prove to London Tribunals that upright signage was
correctly in place at that time and on that very day.
--- Quote from: 909ak link ---
>
> Additionally, I believe I did mention (in my original informal
rep) that the maneuver was necessary, however, in their response
they stated the following:
>
> [...]
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm not really sure it was easily and safely possible to return
to the general traffic lane, as they say, with those poles in
the middle and oncoming traffic.
London Tribunals is a totally different thing, and in this new
game, what the Council said in their initial responses doesn't
count. It will be totally up to the adjudicator.
#Post#: 123001--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: 909ak
Date: June 25, 2026, 2:40 pm
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--- Quote from: AmikoFrizz link ---
>
> [quote author=909ak link=topic=11261.msg122978#msg122978
date=1782399274]
> Excuse my ignorance. Could you elaborate on the "upright signs
passed" comment?
>
--- End Quote ---
The video evidence does not support the alleged contravention
because it does not show any upright signage. They well know it,
and should have cancelled this at the informal challenge stage.
Let them prove to London Tribunals that upright signage was
correctly in place at that time and on that very day.
--- Quote from: 909ak link ---
>
> Additionally, I believe I did mention (in my original informal
rep) that the maneuver was necessary, however, in their response
they stated the following:
>
> [...]
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm not really sure it was easily and safely possible to return
to the general traffic lane, as they say, with those poles in
the middle and oncoming traffic.
London Tribunals is a totally different thing, and in this new
game, what the Council said in their initial responses doesn't
count. It will be totally up to the adjudicator.
[/quote]
What upright signage would they have been expected to show in
order to support their claim?
In my original representation, I provided one out of the last
two images in my original post to them to show that roadworks
had forced road users into the bus lane. Would that not be
adequate in showing upright signage, or would their CCTV
evidence have to provide that?
And I agree, it was definitely not possible to return safely.
Will include that in my formal rep. Thank you.
#Post#: 123095--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 26, 2026, 4:40 pm
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I am offering to deal with this one. At this stage, admit to
nothing. I have had a gruelling week with cases and next week is
not going to be any less so. I will take a look over the weekend
at the video and case in depth.
#Post#: 123099--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: 909ak
Date: June 26, 2026, 6:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> I am offering to deal with this one. At this stage, admit to
nothing. I have had a gruelling week with cases and next week is
not going to be any less so. I will take a look over the weekend
at the video and case in depth.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's amazing. I have yet to submit another representation.
Date of EN is 18/06 so I have until 16/07 to make my rep. I
will wait for your reply over the weekend, or whenever you are
able to take a look.
Thanks all for the replies, and hard work. Much appreciated.
#Post#: 123368--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: 909ak
Date: June 30, 2026, 6:19 am
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Good news!
Seems the council probably received one too many appeals for
this specific instance and realised it would probably be
loss-making? Not too sure on the process but that's my
assumption. Either way, [member=24]Hippocrates[/member], feel
free to ignore this case as it is now closed. Just received a
letter from the Council as shown below:
[img width=600
height=450]
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/8Cry3N4c/IMG-1584.avif[/img]
#Post#: 123370--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: AmikoFrizz
Date: June 30, 2026, 7:21 am
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Great news indeed. Very unusual, I imagine something happened.
Still, I can't understand how they could believe it was possible
to easily and safely return to the general traffic lane from the
diversion in the bus lane, as they initially said: with traffic
delineators in the middle, oncoming traffic and just a micro
"keep clear" zone available (with traffic moving in), there's
not much space to slip out of the bus lane.
#Post#: 123387--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Barnet Council, A1000 High Road/East
End Road (East Finchley Tube Station)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 30, 2026, 9:41 am
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--- Quote from: 909ak link ---
>
> Good news!
>
> Seems the council probably received one too many appeals for
this specific instance and realised it would probably be
loss-making? Not too sure on the process but that's my
assumption. Either way, [member=24]Hippocrates[/member], feel
free to ignore this case as it is now closed. Just received a
letter from the Council as shown below:
>
> [img width=600
height=450]
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/8Cry3N4c/IMG-1584.avif[/img]
>
--- End Quote ---
This is BS. Contact your MP and the Press. And
[member=7]mrmustard[/member] who may well blog this story.
If this were mine, I would sue them. I sue anything that moves:
banks, schools, garages, councils, ex-wives - whatever. I win
too. Especially the last one: I achieved residence of two lovely
children when they were quite young. "Custardy Dad? Semolina
surely." Thank God he has my sense of humour. When he was 7.
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