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#Post#: 123418--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 30, 2026, 2:48 pm
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What do you think of the below i got from google
Send it back to it!
You passed the signs, that's it. Whether you 'only' went a
little further and reversed out is mitigation, NOT a statutory
defence, sorry.
Let's hope a technical defence emerges.
#Post#: 123422--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 30, 2026, 4:11 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> What do you think of the below i got from google
>
> Send it back to it!
>
> You passed the signs, that's it. Whether you 'only' went a
little further and reversed out is mitigation, NOT a statutory
defence, sorry.
>
> Let's hope a technical defence emerges.
>
--- End Quote ---
Will the Hippocrates Cavalry come to the rescue !! (or maybe
they are Dragoons)
#Post#: 123425--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 30, 2026, 4:58 pm
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I been busy of late. Extra reps. can always be added. Website
only has general box and my conflation argument. Sorry: 6 cases
tomorrow so back after them.
#Post#: 123557--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: Movieman9000
Date: July 2, 2026, 5:11 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> I been busy of late. Extra reps. can always be added. Website
only has general box and my conflation argument. Sorry: 6 cases
tomorrow so back after them.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you.
#Post#: 123560--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: Movieman9000
Date: July 2, 2026, 5:14 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> What do you think of the below i got from google
>
> Send it back to it!
>
> You passed the signs, that's it. Whether you 'only' went a
little further and reversed out is mitigation, NOT a statutory
defence, sorry.
>
> Let's hope a technical defence emerges.
>
--- End Quote ---
i don't know if these help, my case is 20m total entry, started
breaking at 11m reason - i had to check mirrors first before
breaking
Case 1: Avis Rent A Car v London Borough of Camden (Case Ref:
2120038831)The Focus: Minimal penetration and immediate
correction.The Facts: The vehicle turned into a restricted bus
lane, immediately braked, and safely reversed out within 3
seconds. The council argued that crossing the threshold line
completed the contravention.
The Adjudicator's Ruling: Appeal Allowed. The adjudicator
formally recorded:"The CCTV footage shows the vehicle crossed
the threshold line but immediately stopped and reversed out of
the restriction. The entire episode lasted no more than a few
seconds. I am satisfied that this was a momentary error,
immediately corrected, and did not constitute 'using' the bus
lane. The matter falls within the principle of de minimis non
curat lex."
Case 2: Dr. S v London Borough of Hackney (Case Ref:
219036728A)The Focus: Distance penetrated vs. intent to comply.
The Facts: A motorist crossed into a Code 33 pedestrian zone by
roughly half a car length before spotting the signs, stopping,
and immediately reversing straight back onto the main road.
The Adjudicator's Ruling: Appeal Allowed.
The adjudicator noted that the absolute nature of moving traffic
offenses must be balanced against reality:"While the council's
camera technically records a crossing of the restriction line,
the footage shows the driver stopped almost immediately upon
passing the signs and reversed out safely. Enforcing a financial
penalty where a driver actively takes instant, safe corrective
action to comply with a restriction would be wholly
disproportionate. The contravention did not occur in any
meaningful sense."
Case 3: M v Transport for London (Case Ref: 2210041275)The
Focus: The definition of "entering" a restricted route.
The Facts: The appellant’s car entered a restricted route
junction due to a sudden lane merge. The driver immediately
realized they could not legally proceed down the street, halted,
and backed up 3 metres to exit the mouth of the junction.
The Adjudicator's Ruling: Appeal Allowed.
The tribunal ruled:"To satisfy the requirement of 'entering' or
'using' a restricted route, there must be a element of passage
along it. A vehicle that penetrates the zone by a nominal margin
and is immediately reversed out has not used the route for
traffic purposes. The appeal is allowed under de minimis."
#Post#: 123943--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: Movieman9000
Date: July 7, 2026, 3:04 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> I been busy of late. Extra reps. can always be added. Website
only has general box and my conflation argument. Sorry: 6 cases
tomorrow so back after them.
>
--- End Quote ---
hi sorry to chase just seeing if you have any thoughts on my
case , thanks
#Post#: 125074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: Movieman9000
Date: July 18, 2026, 1:44 pm
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Hi guys,
if anyone has a similar experience, would be great to share
thank you
#Post#: 125076--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: roythebus
Date: July 18, 2026, 3:14 pm
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The 3 cases quoted above should give you plenty of ammo.
#Post#: 125084--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 19, 2026, 3:20 am
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As far as I understand it:
There is nothing to corroborate the OP's claim regarding
stopping and exiting:'I realised by the time i reached the zebra
crossing (short way in) stopped and reversed back out. This part
has been removed from the clip.';
They have made formal reps to which they have not yet had a
response.
OP, is this correct?
#Post#: 125218--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tower hamlets PCN 33H - using a restricted route for buses
and cycles only
DIR By: Rob232
Date: July 20, 2026, 1:22 pm
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Which TWO signs are these? I see only one in the vid, and that
one quite high, presumably to enable visibility of the 20mph
restriction which was originally on a post directly beside it in
2024, and which they moved back.
The post on the right with the "unicycle" attached to it, is the
original post that the RH sign was attached to in the OP's gsv
photo. You can see a yellow blip next to it on the DYLs in the
vid and in that GSV.
I wondered why the vid doesn't show the RH sign, can only assume
it did when the camera was installed, but it is not there
anymore.
Would be good to get a recent pic showing it missing, or perhaps
moved, but showing the unicycle post and it's relevant position
to the other posts
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