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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: Markfryer1985
Date: June 18, 2026, 3:47 pm
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I’m sorry I’m new to all this. I don’t know where the docref is
, I know you said bottom of page 2 but I don’t know what it is
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: Markfryer1985
Date: June 18, 2026, 3:49 pm
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Is says vehicle acquired on 20 06 2025
Bottom of page 2 is a load of numbers:
5172 678 0287
1940/1011645020
21/06/25
25
Received NIP letter on 23/12
Date on the letter was 20/12
Wasn’t a reminder it was the first one I got,
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: June 18, 2026, 4:46 pm
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> Wasn’t a reminder it was the first one I got,
>
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It could be a reminder AND the first one you got. What if the
first one sent was lost in the post?
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: June 18, 2026, 5:15 pm
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> Wasn’t a reminder it was the first one I got,
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It may have been he first one you got. But you don’t know
whether it was the first one which was sent.
It is important because from what you have said, your only
chance of avoiding a conviction is to show that no NIP was
served on you within 14 days.
As above, it is extremely rare for a genuine “late NIP” to be
served. So you must make every effort to determine whether the
one you have received was the first one issued. You should have
been served with the evidence the police intend to rely on to
convict you and that should contain some reference to the NIP,
the accompanying request for driver’s details and your response.
If you don’t already have that, it would be a good place to
start.
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: Markfryer1985
Date: June 19, 2026, 12:10 am
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Hi, ok. I’ve seen or recived zero evidence on what I have done.
How would I go about obtaining this? Do I ring the police where
the NIP was issued from? I’ve been told that if it was a
reminder that it would say so on the NIP? How can I prove I
didn’t get another one through the post? Surly the police would
have to prove that they sent one?
Again sorry for all the questions but this is all completely new
to me.
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: 666
Date: June 19, 2026, 1:04 am
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--- Quote from: Markfryer1985 link ---
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> Hi, ok. I’ve seen or recived zero evidence on what I have
done. How would I go about obtaining this? Do I ring the police
where the NIP was issued from? I’ve been told that if it was a
reminder that it would say so on the NIP? How can I prove I
didn’t get another one through the post? Surly the police would
have to prove that they sent one?
> Again sorry for all the questions but this is all completely
new to me.
>
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What exactly have you received? You say "a letter for a court
summons". Is it actually a summons? Or a letter telling you
something about a summons? Or a Single Justice Procedure Notice?
We need to know, if you want meaningful advice.
As regards the NIP, no, it wouldn't necessarily be labelled as a
reminder.
"How can I prove I didn’t get another one through the post?" It
is very difficult to do so. If you go to court, the police will
provide evidence that the NIP was posted on date x, and the law
presumes it was delivered two working days later, unless it can
be proved otherwise. The onus will be on you to provide
convincing evidence of non-delivery. Simply saying you didn't
get it is not likely to be convincing.
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: June 19, 2026, 2:40 am
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I'm not going to risk going to prison for practicing unlicensed
dentistry. I would strongly suggest that you answer the
questions we've already asked you, before you ask us any more
questions.
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: June 19, 2026, 5:43 am
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To avoid any further confusion (and us having to ask more
questions) could you post up here what you have received
(suitably redacted).
As far as the NIP goes, you need to find out whether the one you
had was the first one sent to you. If it was, you know that it
does not meet the requirement (to serve one within 14 days) and
you can move on to try to find out why it was so late (so as to
establish whether the police had a good reason to fail to meet
that requirement).
If there was an earlier one, there is virtually no chance of
you convincing a court that it failed to arrive in time. Seems
tough but that’s the way it is. The police only have to show
that one was posted. The burden then shifts to you to show it
was not delivered, and it is notoriously difficult to prove that
something didn’t happen.
The only evidence you have of that is your own testimony and
courts are prone to be a little sceptical when defendants try to
avoid a prosecution on that basis.
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: Daim456
Date: June 21, 2026, 12:47 pm
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As I can recall it is not possible to issue "Single Justice
Procedure Notice" for offence like dangerous driving because it
carries a mandatory driving ban with extended retest.
It would be have to be heard in standard Magistrate Court.
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Re: Dangerous driving - court summons advise
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: June 21, 2026, 2:11 pm
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> As I can recall it is not possible to issue "Single Justice
Procedure Notice" for offence like dangerous driving….
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You are right but for the wrong reason.
The principal criteria which make an offence triable under the
“Single Justice” procedure are that it must be a summary offence
and not punishable with imprisonment,
Dangerous driving fails on both counts. It is an “either way”
offence (meaning it can be dealt with either in the Magistrates’
Court or the Crown Court) and it is punishable by up to two
years imprisonment.
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