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#Post#: 12472--------------------------------------------------
Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Felics
Date: December 15, 2023, 6:29 am
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Hello,
Me again. :-\
I've received a PCN. For some reason I cannot download the video
There are similar threads here
(
HTML http://www.pepipoo.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t145573.html<br
/>and
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t143163.html).
The alleged contravention states that I am "stopped in a
restricted bus stop". This is not correct. I recall this
incident well as I saw the bus stop and moved into the space
behind it.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jNjySZU.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MAqwtX9.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/9UXecV8.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/COnUW0N.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/DvuHmMS.jpg
The picture conveniently shows a still image of the vehicle half
in the bus stop. This is of me moving and not an accurate
representation of the car having "stopped". The video is
slightly more helpful in that it shows me clearly reversing into
the space behind but, again conveniently, seems to stop after 9
seconds. If it continued it would show that I reversed back into
the acres of open space *outside* the bus stop markings.
The location "A" per the PCN denotes the zone and not the actual
bus stop. Per the thread above it seems that nothing in the PCN
notes the location of the bus stop. In addition, I am adamant
that I did not park within the markings (although I did
obviously stray inside to reverse into the open space). I even
got out to check I was fully out of the marking before turning
the car off.
My questions:
- Can I request longer footage? This would show me clearly
continuing to reverse out of the bus stop markings.
- Just straying into the bus stop whilst trying to reverse
shouldn't be enough to warrant a penalty should it?
- Is it worth discussing the fact that the bus stop sign is not
mentioned (A vs M) as I can see this has resulted in a DNC from
the council?
Thoughts, Comments?
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#Post#: 12561--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Felics
Date: December 16, 2023, 2:00 pm
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Also, if anyone can explain how to embed a video would be very
helpful.
Thanks
#Post#: 12568--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 16, 2023, 5:31 pm
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So, from your narrative, you were in traffic driving along,
wanting to park, saw a parking space available just before the
bus stop, so stopped by the bus stop momentarily, then reversed
into the bay, correct ?
If so, then there really is no contravention, and I think a
similar case was won last year on this, (it may have been more
than one year). Trouble is I don't know where in London it was
so can't post the case number. Hopefully somebody on here will
remember. Of course if you waited whilst a car departed and left
the space for you, then it is not so clear-cut.
#Post#: 12582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Felics
Date: December 17, 2023, 7:37 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> So, from your narrative, you were in traffic driving along,
wanting to park, saw a parking space available just before the
bus stop, so stopped by the bus stop momentarily, then reversed
into the bay, correct ?
>
> If so, then there really is no contravention, and I think a
similar case was won last year on this, (it may have been more
than one year). Trouble is I don't know where in London it was
so can't post the case number. Hopefully somebody on here will
remember. Of course if you waited whilst a car departed and left
the space for you, then it is not so clear-cut.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks.
And correct per your summary.
Nope, no waiting as there was a free space and I was merely
reversing into the space. I didn't stop in the bus lane at all.
OK - great. Hope someone can provide the case reference fingers
crossed.
HTML https://youtu.be/BGjJ4BSjkIs
#Post#: 12603--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 17, 2023, 2:30 pm
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This is ridiculous PCN. Even their video does not show your
vehicle stopped. No contravention at all.
#Post#: 12626--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Felics
Date: December 18, 2023, 5:08 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> This is ridiculous PCN. Even their video does not show your
vehicle stopped. No contravention at all.
>
--- End Quote ---
Would you suggest I wait for someone to come back on the other
similar case that Incandescent mentions.
Or should I challenge based on the plain facts that the car had
not stopped, nor does any of the evidence the Council has
presented show that it has stopped.
#Post#: 12629--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 18, 2023, 6:06 am
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--- Quote from: Felics link ---
>
> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=1118.msg12603#msg12603
date=1702845017]
> This is ridiculous PCN. Even their video does not show your
vehicle stopped. No contravention at all.
>
--- End Quote ---
Would you suggest I wait for someone to come back on the other
similar case that Incandescent mentions.
Or should I challenge based on the plain facts that the car had
not stopped, nor does any of the evidence the Council has
presented show that it has stopped.
[/quote]
Just challenge it as follows:
Dear Sirs
Ref: PCN VRM
I make these formal representations as follows:
1. The contravention did not occur according to your own video
evidence as the car was not stationary at all.
2. The PCN gives an inexact locus.
In view of the above, please cancel the PCN.
Yours
etc
#Post#: 13449--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Felics
Date: January 8, 2024, 6:38 am
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Hi All,
Just to conclude this thread, I received the following reply
cancelling the PCN as "gesture of goodwill" (yes I laughed too).
Thanks for your help.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/yJ39LRX.png
#Post#: 13484--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN - High Road Seven Kings (A). Stopped on a
restricted bus stop
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 8, 2024, 2:16 pm
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Excellent; but, in response to this bolleaux, send them this
please:
HTML https://youtu.be/cxZlrZT1UjE
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