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#Post#: 122468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 20, 2026, 8:46 am
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I'm working on this from the OP's first post:
'TRACE check shows as removed from Amelia Street as a street to
street move on 25/09/25."
Which suggests it was moved by the council or other authorised
person.
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Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: zclhe03
Date: June 20, 2026, 9:10 am
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Further to my previous post, I can clarify the timeline
regarding when the vehicle was reported missing.
At the time we lived in a block of flats and did not have a
dedicated parking space. We parked using a residents' parking
permit.
The vehicle was last parked by us on Amelia Street on 12
September 2025 and was not used daily.
At some point afterwards I saw the vehicle in Crampton Street
with a PCN attached. Because there had been a short period
during which the residents' permit had not been renewed, I
assumed the PCN related to that issue, collected the ticket and
paid it.
I also assumed either that I had simply misremembered where the
vehicle had been parked or that my husband had moved it. As a
result, I did not appreciate at that stage that there might have
been an issue regarding the vehicle's location.
It was only when we went to use the vehicle on 11 October 2025
that we discovered it was no longer there and reported it to the
Metropolitan Police.
I appreciate this may not have been clear from my earlier posts.
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Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 20, 2026, 11:05 am
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The car may have been relocated by the council probably because
you had been in a suspended bay on Amelia Street. One of the
pics for PCN JK17263522 shows a steering wheel lock. If it had a
resident's permit they should have relocated it to a permit not
a pay bay.
Or maybe Crampton Street was where it was all along...
The amount owing is £175 I would just pay it as if you do
nothing the next stage is bailiffs.
The other live PCN is JK17309044 - this is at charge certificate
stage, amount £165. Did you do anything about this one?
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Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 20, 2026, 11:43 am
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OP, I agree that your best course at present is to pay, contrary
to my earlier post when I thought that you had not received the
NTO, but you have now confirmed that you did.
Your report to the police that your car was stolen FROM CRAMPTON
ST is not relevant for our purposes because you saw it there and
there are photos of it. You said to the police that subsequent
to the last of the 3 PCNs being issued it 'went missing' from
there[that is CRAMPTON ST].'If so, that's another matter.
I strongly suggest you draw a veil over the police report.
Back to the facts: your car was in a pay by phone parking place
in Crampton on 2 October.
If moved there by the council, then IMO you have strong grounds
for complaint outside the PCN process. So I suggest you pay the
OfR and then let's focus on how it came to be in Crampton with
its steering lock in situ.
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Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: zclhe03
Date: June 21, 2026, 5:58 am
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Thank you all for your help and for taking the time to look at
this. I really appreciate the input as I'm frankly out of my
depth on this!
Following the advice received, I have now paid PCN JK17263522 in
order to avoid further enforcement action and associated costs.
However, I have made it clear to Southwark that payment is not
an admission of liability and that I am continuing to seek the
relocation records.
I have requested from Southwark:
* TRACE records
* relocation logs
* CEO notes
* photographs
* records showing the reason for the relocation
* any suspension, roadworks or filming records relating to
Amelia Street
Southwark have advised that these requests may take up to a
month.
I am also seeking confirmation of the current status of
JK17309044 and JK17310112, as I have Notices to Owner and Charge
Certificates for those PCNs but do not currently have a complete
picture of what happened to them.
Once I receive the relocation records and Southwark's response,
I will update the thread.
Thank you again for taking the time to get involved and help me
work through what has been a very confusing situation.
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Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 21, 2026, 6:17 am
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You've now mentioned another PCN, JK17310112.
You say you have NTOs and charge certificates for both
JK17310112 and JK17309044.
Your problem is that failing to act after service of an NTO
leaves you no legal recourse. I presume you made no
representations to Southwark for either of these?
All you can do is ask Southwark to consider late reps but you
say:
I am also seeking confirmation of the current status of
JK17309044 and JK17310112
But we know the status - both are showing online at charge
certificate stage, £165 each.
#Post#: 122550--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: June 21, 2026, 11:21 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
>
> Once matters get beyond the OfR stage, you'll be getting
bailiff letters.
>
> The first is the Compliance stage, and adds £75 to what you
owe the council.
>
> If the bailiffs visit you, another £235 is added on.
--- End Quote ---
I should have posted about this sooner. On 1st May 2026, bailiff
fees were increased. The compliance stage fee of £75 is now £79.
The enforcement fee of £235 has also risen to £247.
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/366/regulation/3/made
Bailiff Advice Online
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Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 21, 2026, 2:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Bailiff Advice link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent
link=topic=11154.msg121778#msg121778 date=1781478233]
>
> Once matters get beyond the OfR stage, you'll be getting
bailiff letters.
>
> The first is the Compliance stage, and adds £75 to what you
owe the council.
>
> If the bailiffs visit you, another £235 is added on.
--- End Quote ---
I should have posted about this sooner. On 1st May 2026, bailiff
fees were increased. The compliance stage fee of £75 is now £79.
The enforcement fee of £235 has also risen to £247.
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/366/regulation/3/made
Bailiff Advice Online
[/quote]
Thanks for letting us know.
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Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: zclhe03
Date: June 26, 2026, 8:58 am
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I've now received the Subject Access Request from Southwark and
uploaded the pdf here:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-SttE0Y1WA0TXkQMFLixFNZY5rpcBJ43/view?usp=sharing
The SAR confirms there was a filming suspension on Amelia Street
on 25 September 2025. More importantly, it contains Southwark's
own photographs showing my vehicle in the suspended residents'
bay, the suspension notices on the vehicle, the council removal
truck alongside it, and then photographs showing the vehicle
after it had been relocated to Crampton Street.
From what I can see, the council relocated the vehicle from a
residents' permit bay on Amelia Street into a Pay by Phone bay
on Crampton Street. The subsequent PCNs were then issued while
the vehicle remained in that Pay by Phone bay.
The council have also confirmed there were no additional notes
relating to my vehicle, but the SAR does include the suspension
records and the photographs documenting the relocation.
I'd really appreciate your thoughts on where this leaves me. In
particular:
* Does this change the position now that the relocation appears
to be evidenced by the council's own records?
* If the council relocated the vehicle into a Pay by Phone bay,
should the subsequent PCNs have been issued at all?
* Is this now something I should pursue through Southwark's
complaints process and seek reimbursement for the PCN I've paid,
or is there another route I should be considering?
Many thanks again for all your help.
#Post#: 123108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 27, 2026, 6:53 am
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So, finally you've got to where we knew you were going i.e. no
theft, just a plain and simple c**k-up on the council's part.
IMO, your only course is extra-procedural i.e. lies outside
parking enforcement procedure and regulations.
If you are certain of your ground then I suggest something along
the following lines.
You need to write to the Head of Parking Services and copy to
the Head of Legal Services.
Re: PCNs *****, ****** etc.
As your records show, the above PCNs were issued to my car
whilst parked in contravention in a Pay and Display bay in
******. Enforcement has now progressed to the following stages:
PCN No. Stage
***** ******
***** ******
The PCNs were issued when the car was stationary between the
dates of *** and ***.
Had the car been under my control when it was relocated, then I
accept that the council might have a legitimate claim for the
penalties.
But it was not under my control.
As the council's own records show(released under a Subject
Access Request), the council removed my vehicle from Amelia **
and left it in a Pay to Park bay in ****.(1)
Why the council chose to reposition my car to a location where
it was immediately in breach of the prevailing parking
restriction, I have no idea. But what I do know is that all
penalties demanded subsequently are surely unenforceable. I
accept that my actions subsequent to the PCNs being issued have
been less than ideal, but this doesn't justify the council's
initial action.
I therefore request that you cease all enforcement immediately
and if you will not cancel the PCNs then let us enter into a
meaningful dialogue before this story finds its way into the
public realm.
Yours
(1) I am still unclear as to when you paid the PCN which was
issued in Amelia. Part of your account suggests you saw your car
in contravention but didn't take action. Maybe I've misread it.
But in any event, the council cannot reward itself by placing
your car in contravention and then demanding penalties.
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