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#Post#: 121771--------------------------------------------------
Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: zclhe03
Date: June 14, 2026, 4:59 pm
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Vehicle: GJ69XKY
PCNs:
JK17263522 – alleged contravention on 02/10/2025 (Crampton
Street)
JK17298185 – alleged contravention on 07/10/2025 (Crampton
Street)
Timeline:
Vehicle was parked on Amelia Street.
02/10/2025 – PCN JK17263522 issued.
07/10/2025 – PCN JK17298185 issued.
11/10/2025 – Vehicle reported stolen to the Metropolitan Police.
21/11/2025 – Representations submitted against JK17263522.
18/12/2025 – Notice of Rejection issued for JK17263522.
No appeal lodged with London Tribunals.
Charge Certificate later issued for JK17298185.
June 2026 – Order for Recovery received for JK17263522 (£175,
deadline 21/06/2026).
The key issue is that in April 2026 I obtained a Metropolitan
Police report relating to the theft report.
The report contains the following entry:
"TRACE check shows as removed from Amelia Street as a street to
street move on 25/09/25."
The report also records that the vehicle was later seen in
Crampton Street.
Our position has always been that the vehicle was originally
parked on Amelia Street and was not left by us in Crampton
Street.
At the time representations were made and at the time the
tribunal appeal period expired, we did not have the police
report or the TRACE information. We only obtained that report in
April 2026, several months after the appeal period had expired.
For context, during this period my husband was working as an NHS
doctor and we had a newborn baby at home. While I appreciate
that this does not excuse missing deadlines, it does explain why
the matter was not pursued as actively as it should have been at
the time.
I have now requested from Southwark:
Vehicle relocation records
TRACE records
CEO notes
Relocation logs
Photographs
I am not looking to make any inaccurate witness statement. The
Notice of Rejection for JK17263522 was received by email, so I
do not believe I can honestly rely on a TE9 ground based on
non-receipt.
My questions are:
Is there any procedural route available in respect of JK17263522
now that an Order for Recovery has been issued?
Does the later discovery of the police report and TRACE
relocation information change anything procedurally?
Is there any argument that the second PCN (JK17298185) was not
properly considered, given that subsequent correspondence
referred to both PCNs but Southwark stated that only JK17263522
had been challenged?
Am I now entirely reliant on Southwark exercising discretion, or
is there any other route available?
I can upload the Order for Recovery, Notice of Rejection,
correspondence and relevant page of the police report if
helpful.
#Post#: 121778--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 14, 2026, 6:03 pm
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You have not posted either of the PCNs, so we don't know what
Act it was served under. So please help us to help you by
posting the documents.
It seems the PCNs were for parking, and if so, this is under the
Traffic Management Act 2004. For PCNs under this Act you can
submit a Witness Statement against the Order for Recovery, but
there are only a limited number of situations you can report.
The form is Form PE3, but looking at your narrative, none of
them fit your circumstances, and you are dependent on the
goodwill of Southwark, because you did not do anything after
receiving their rejection of your reps. See here for the form: -
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice
You do not seem to have done anything at all about PCN PCN
JK17298185, so the enforcement process will have run its
inevitable course, but it would seem is now at the Charge
Certificate stage. With no reps submitted, it's difficult to see
this one ending favourably.
Unfortunately your story is an example of what happens when a
PCN recipient doesn't respond fully to documents and lets things
slide. Once matters get beyond the OfR stage, you'll be getting
bailiff letters. The first is the Compliance stage, and adds £75
to what you owe the council.If the bailiffs visit you, another
£235 is added on. These amounts are statutory, by the way. I'm
afraid civil enforcement is as harsh as the old criminal law
enforcement, and maybe more harsh when one looks at the sums
that can accrue.
#Post#: 121801--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 15, 2026, 4:25 am
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Something is dreadfully wrong here procedurally.
Trying to separate the PCNs:
Car parked in Amelia St. on or before 25 Sept.
"TRACE check shows as removed from Amelia Street as a street to
street move on 25/09/25."[presumably to Crampton St]
PCN **522
Issued 2 Oct, 1 week after car moved for contravention ?
'11/10/2025 – Vehicle reported stolen to the Metropolitan
Police.', 16 days after being initially parked.
'21/11/2025 – Representations submitted against JK17263522.' 50
days after PCN issued!
'18/12/2025 – Notice of Rejection issued for JK17263522.'
'No appeal lodged with London Tribunals'. But if the reps were
against the PCN served on the car, then an appeal is not the
next step anyway!
June 2026 – Order for Recovery received for JK17263522 (£175,
deadline 21/06/2026).
The key issue is that in April 2026 I obtained a Metropolitan
Police report relating to the theft report.
I think not!
1. IF a Notice of Rejections against formal reps was issued on
18 Dec.
Then IMO, you have grounds to submit an OfR.
2. IF the Notice of Rejection related to a challenge against the
PCN on the car.
Then IMO you have grounds to submit a WS.
OP, what's missing in this thread is the Notice to Owner, the
PCN for Amelia Street etc.
What PCN for Amelia?
They cannot move a car unless a PCN has been issued. But so far
we have only 2 PCNs, both presumably for Crampton! Unless
perhaps the two PCNs were issue in Amelia and the car moved on
the second one??
Who knows?
OP, check your V5C pl. Does it have you correct address as at
the dates of the contraventions?
#Post#: 122093--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: zclhe03
Date: June 17, 2026, 7:53 am
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Thanks for the responses. I've now gathered together all of the
paperwork and can hopefully clarify the position.
The vehicle was parked on Amelia Street. According to the
Metropolitan Police report, a TRACE check later showed the
vehicle had been moved from Amelia Street as a street-to-street
move on 25/09/2025. The vehicle was subsequently reported stolen
on 11/10/2025.
I think some confusion has arisen because my original
representation was poorly expressed. I referred to having a
resident parking permit, but I was not arguing that a resident
permit was valid in a pay-by-phone bay.
The point I was trying to make was that the vehicle had
originally been parked lawfully on Amelia Street and was later
no longer where it had been left. The permit was simply
background information, not the basis of the challenge.
A further complication is that multiple PCNs were issued after
the vehicle appeared on Crampton Street:
* JK17263522 – 02/10/2025
* JK17309044 – 06/10/2025
* JK17298185 – 07/10/2025
All three relate to the same alleged contravention (11u) at the
same location.
Southwark later cancelled JK17298185 because it had been issued
within 24 hours of JK17309044.
For JK17263522, I received:
* Notice to Owner dated 06/11/2025
* Notice of Rejection dated 18/12/2025
* Charge Certificate dated 20/02/2026
* Order for Recovery received June 2026
I accept that I received the Notice of Rejection and did not
appeal to London Tribunals. At the time I believed the matter
was still being investigated because I was trying to obtain
evidence regarding the vehicle's movement and theft report. The
police report was only provided to me in April 2026.
I have attached in link here:
HTML https://postimg.cc/gallery/Hk8G090
HTML https://postimg.cc/gallery/Hk8G090
1. Notice to Owner – JK17263522
2. My representations
3. Notice of Rejection
4. Charge Certificate
5. Order for Recovery
6. Police report / TRACE evidence
7. Cancellation letter for JK17298185
My main question is:
Given that I received the Notice of Rejection for JK17263522 but
did not appeal to London Tribunals, is there now any procedural
route available in respect of the Order for Recovery, or am I
entirely dependent on Southwark exercising discretion after
seeing the TRACE/police evidence?
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
#Post#: 122094--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 17, 2026, 8:08 am
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There is no procedural route once the debt has been registered,
and the circumstances of the case do not match those listed on
the Statutory Declaration. The basic fact is you submitted reps,
they rejected them, then you did nothing, until the Charge
Certificate arrive and jolted you into action, but it was too
late. So essentially you can only rely on the goodwill of
Southwark.
The above is my opinion, others may differ, or even suggest a
route to redemption.
#Post#: 122096--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 17, 2026, 8:30 am
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IMO, they cannot move your vehicle to another road(as opposed to
a place not on a road(the 'pound') unless it has already been
issued with a PCN.
But according to you, they did because there's no mention of a
PCN issued in Amelia.
And IMO, they cannot move to another place on a road which is
itself restricted if prospectively the vehicle would again be in
contravention, which is what's alleged here.
IMO, something is missing from this account
#Post#: 122112--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: Neil B
Date: June 17, 2026, 10:31 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> IMO, something is missing from this account
>
--- End Quote ---
Sight of at least some documents. (Its the way we understand
events)
#Post#: 122115--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 17, 2026, 11:25 am
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+1
#Post#: 122347--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: zclhe03
Date: June 19, 2026, 6:46 am
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Just to clarify, I have already submitted requests to Southwark
for:
* TRACE records
* vehicle relocation records and logs
* CEO notes
* photographs
* records showing the reason for the relocation
* any suspension, roadworks or filming records relating to
Amelia Street
Southwark have advised that these requests may take up to a
month to process, which unfortunately means I am unlikely to
receive the records before the Order for Recovery deadline on
June 21st.
The reason I have not yet been able to explain why the vehicle
was moved is that I simply do not know. The only evidence
currently available to me is the Metropolitan Police report
recording that a TRACE check showed the vehicle as having been
removed from Amelia Street as a street-to-street move.
Assuming those records do not arrive before the Order for
Recovery deadline, what would members do in my position?
Would you pay to avoid enforcement fees and continue pursuing
the relocation evidence afterwards, or take a different
approach?
#Post#: 122395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report
later revealed TRACE relocation
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: June 19, 2026, 12:41 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> IMO, they cannot move your vehicle to another road(as opposed
to a place not on a road(the 'pound') unless it has already been
issued with a PCN.
>
> But according to you, they did because there's no mention of a
PCN issued in Amelia.
>
> And IMO, they cannot move to another place on a road which is
itself restricted if prospectively the vehicle would again be in
contravention, which is what's alleged here.
>
> IMO, something is missing from this account
>
--- End Quote ---
Perhaps I've misunderstood, but isn't the OP saying that the
TRACE check provided by the police shows that the car was TWOC'd
from Amelia Street on 25 September and moved to Crampton Street
before the PCNs were issued? That's the only move the OP is
referring to.
ie the PCNs were incurred by the TWOC'ers and not the OP or her
husband.
What the OP hasn't explained is when the car was left on Amelia
Road (sometimetime on or before 25 September presumably) and why
it took until 11 October to report the car as missing to the
police...
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