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Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: ndsyeti
Date: June 12, 2026, 7:02 am
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So Greenwich have given me a ticket for parking ON the school
zig zags - the sign says No stopping Mon-Fri 81m-5pm ON entrance
markings. No part of my car (even the opening door) went over
the markings, I was in the middle of the road.
I appealed and lost, I suspect the contractors just want to
maximise income. I've appealed to London tribunals and said the
sign says on and I'm not and the highway code says on and I'm
not on. The council appeal says near means on which I think is
ridiculous. Has anyone got any thoughts about if this will just
be thrown out or if I need more to back up my case. I've also
said if near means on, please show me the reference in law.
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 12, 2026, 7:10 am
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Welcome to FTLA!
We need to see more information.
Was this a pcn affixed to vehicle or postal? (sounds like
postal)
For guidance on posting images please to have a read of
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and post here all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name &
address from documents - leave all else in),.
a copy of your reps to Greenwich,
a copy of their rejection,
any council photos/video,
and a GSV link to the location.
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: ndsyeti
Date: June 12, 2026, 7:11 am
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My first stage appeal:
Thank you for submitting your appeal which has been sent to
Parking Services for consideration and response.
You will be informed of the outcome in writing.
Please note that when contacting Parking Enforcement Services,
always use your Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) number as your
reference.
Case number: GR24987746
Vehicle registration: SB62PKA
Contravention: 48J - STOPPED IN RESTRICTED AREA OUTSIDE A SCHOOL
Date and time of contravention: 28/04/2026 08:09
Reason for appeal: 'Any other reason'
Your answers:
-Question 1 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why
you think your PCN should be cancelled'
Answer : 'I did not park on the zig zags I stopped level
with them - you will see that the highway code says ON, not
level with, not beside, not near as I was not ON this is unjust
and should be cancelled.
Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of
operation shown on nearby time plates (or zone entry signs if in
a Controlled Parking Zone) – see ‘Traffic signs’ and ‘Road
markings’. Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting
at any time even if there are no upright signs. You MUST NOT
wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on
school entrance markings (see ‘Road markings’) when upright
signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.'
-Question 2 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to
support your case?'
Answer : 'No'
their response
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 12, 2026, 7:16 am
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Pretty sure we've seen this interpretation come up before and
the adjudicator agreed that, like yellow lines, the zig zags
apply from the building line up the to centre of the
carriageway. So "on" shouldn't be taken literally.
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 12, 2026, 7:24 am
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See this thread for more details.
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No harm in having sending in some representations to see what
Greenwich say, but, personally based on what you describe I
wouldn't risk missing out on the discount.
Sorry, now reread the thread, sounds like you are beyond that
stage. If you want any assistance, we'll need to see the
paperwork and council evidence (i.e. video) to see what you'll
be arguing against.
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: ndsyeti
Date: June 12, 2026, 7:34 am
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I've missed the reduced period, I'd not heard of the middle of
the carriageway extension and have checked the highway code, so
I guess I just refute that point, although it may remind them
that it exists... If it's not in the highway code or on the
signs, and that's pretty annoying to extend beyond that.
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 12, 2026, 7:38 am
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You may as well push your case given where you are.
But if you want us to take a look and see if there are any other
angles you could pursue (e.g. faults with Greenwich's process),
then provide the info. Without seeing the video, it's hard to
form a judgement as to how close to the middle of the road you
were.
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: ndsyeti
Date: June 12, 2026, 8:58 am
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No doubt I was middle of the road, I just maintain if it extends
to the middle of the road the word on the sign and in the
highway code should not be on and I shouldn't have to predict
what they actually mean or read 100 bits of guidance because the
Highway Code is incomplete.
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 12, 2026, 9:27 am
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The next stage, if you don't pay-up, is the Notice to Owner.
Are you the owner, with your name and address on the V5C
Registration Certificate ?
Only after you have had reps rejected against an NtO, can you
register an appeal at London Tribunals. Greenwich will most
likely re-offer the discount, but there isn't that option at
London Tribunals, and to be honest, your argument has been
tested there before and rejected. Having looked at the evidence,
I don't think yoy'd win, sorry to have to say it. If you'd
parked on the opposite side of the road like the other cars
parked there, then you'd have been in the clear
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Re: Greenwich zig zags
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 12, 2026, 9:48 am
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member] - this has already reached
adjudication stage.
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