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#Post#: 121487--------------------------------------------------
CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need final
sanity check
DIR By: janss1234
Date: June 11, 2026, 10:44 am
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Hi everyone,
I’m in the middle of appealing a council PCN and it has now
reached the adjudicator stage. I just want a final sense check
before I submit my appeal.
KEY FACTS / TIMELINE
* PCN date: 05/03/2026
* I paid for the vehicle: 07/03/2026 (bank transfer proof
available)
* DVLA keeper update processed: 11/04/2026
* DVLA Subject Access Request (SAR) shows a transaction
timestamp of 11/04/2026
MY SITUATION
I bought the vehicle via Facebook Marketplace. The important
point is that I did not acquire or pay for the car until
07/03/2026, which was after the PCN was issued.
The council's position is essentially that DVLA shows me as the
registered keeper, so I am liable. They have repeatedly asked me
for details of the previous keeper, but I do not have those
details because it was a private Facebook Marketplace sale.
My understanding is that liability depends on whether I was
actually the owner/keeper at the time of the contravention, not
simply whether DVLA later recorded me as the registered keeper.
EVIDENCE I HAVE
* Bank transfer showing payment for the vehicle on 07/03/2026
* Facebook Marketplace messages showing arrangements to meet the
seller and photographs of the vehicle
* DVLA confirmation email dated 11/04/2026
* DVLA SAR showing a transaction timestamp of 11/04/2026
* The PCN dated 05/03/2026
MY ARGUMENT
My position is straightforward:
I could not have been the owner or keeper on 05/03/2026 because
I did not acquire the vehicle until 07/03/2026.
The DVLA record reflects a later registration process and does
not change the fact that the alleged contravention occurred
before I purchased the vehicle.
QUESTIONS
1. Does this sound like a strong appeal to an adjudicator?
2. Are there any tribunal appeal templates that would suit these
circumstances?
3. Has anyone had experience of a council continuing to rely on
DVLA records despite evidence showing the vehicle was purchased
after the contravention date?
I have already appealed twice using the evidence above and both
appeals were rejected, which is why I am now at adjudicator
stage.
Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
#Post#: 121489--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 11, 2026, 10:56 am
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What is the PCN for, and what paperwork did you get.
#Post#: 121497--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: janss1234
Date: June 11, 2026, 12:14 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> What is the PCN for, and what paperwork did you get.
>
--- End Quote ---
The PCN was issued because the the car was seen parked in a
permit bay without a permit or a voucher issued for that parking
place.
I got paperwork from the Royal borough of Greenwich stating the
following -
We refer to the representations made by you in connection with
the issue of the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) and Notice to
Owner.
The PCN was issued to you because your vehicle was seen parked
in a permit bay without a permit or a voucher issued for that
parking place.
We have investigated the circumstances raised in your
correspondence and have made the decision to not cancel your
notice. The reasons for our decision are set out below, along
with the options available to you at this stage.
You have explained that you were not the owner of the vehicle at
the time of the incident.
The DVLA sent us your details as being the registered keeper of
the vehicle on the date of the contravention. Under the above
legislation, the registered keeper / owner of the vehicle is
responsible for the PCN.
If the DVLA records show that you were the registered keeper of
the vehicle on the date of the contravention, then even though
you may not have owned the vehicle at the time, it still remains
your responsibility to ensure the DVLA record is updated (so as
to avoid future PCNs) and to obtain written proof to show that
you were not the owner of the vehicle at the time.
In our previous letter to you we requested that you provide us
with the relevant proof of the full details of the keeper which
includes their address to prove your statements, which you have
been unable to provide. We are therefore, not prepared to accept
this point in your representation.
#Post#: 121512--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 11, 2026, 2:05 pm
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--- Quote ---
> They have repeatedly asked me for details of the previous
keeper, but I do not have those details because it was a private
Facebook Marketplace sale.
--- End Quote ---
So how did you handle the V5C transfer process, which requires
you to fill in the new owner details ? Also see Section 12 of
the V5C on what you must do as a registered keeper.
#Post#: 121518--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: janss1234
Date: June 11, 2026, 2:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote]They have repeatedly asked me for details of the
previous keeper, but I do not have those details because it was
a private Facebook Marketplace sale.
--- End Quote ---
So how did you handle the V5C transfer process, which requires
you to fill in the new owner details ? Also see Section 12 of
the V5C on what you must do as a registered keeper.
[/quote] The vehicle was purchased through Facebook Marketplace
and the V5C I received did not match the details of the person
I dealt with. I therefore did not have reliable details for any
previous keeper.
However, I don't think that changes the key issue in this case.
The alleged contravention occurred on 05/03/2026 and I did not
purchase the vehicle until 07/03/2026, as evidenced by my bank
transfer.
Regardless of any later DVLA registration issues or the accuracy
of the V5C details, I was not the owner or keeper on the date of
the contravention. That is the point I am relying on before the
adjudicator.
#Post#: 121519--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: RichardW
Date: June 11, 2026, 3:18 pm
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What does it say on your V5C as to the date you acquired the
car?
#Post#: 121521--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: June 11, 2026, 3:27 pm
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And was 05 March 2026 the date of the parking contravention or
the date of issue of the PCN?
You've said both in different posts
Do you not know why Greenwich seem to be convinced that you were
RK on the date of the contravention when you say you only became
RK wef 07 March 2026, and that that is what the DVLA shows?
"... The DVLA sent us your details as being the registered
keeper of the vehicle on the date of the contravention..."
#Post#: 121523--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: janss1234
Date: June 11, 2026, 3:54 pm
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--- Quote from: ManxTom link ---
>
> And was 05 March 2026 the date of the parking contravention or
the date of issue of the PCN?
>
> You've said both in different posts
>
> Do you not know why Greenwich seem to be convinced that you
were RK on the date of the contravention when you say you only
became RK wef 07 March 2026, and that that is what the DVLA
shows?
>
> "... The DVLA sent us your details as being the registered
keeper of the vehicle on the date of the contravention..."
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, 05 March 2026 was the date of the PCN and I bought the car
on 07 March 2026, The DVLA sent us your details as being the
registered keeper of the vehicle on the date of the
contravention I dont understand how this is possible when I
bought the car after the PCN was received, I did do a SAR on the
car and it shows I was the RK on the 11/01/2026, a whole two
months before I even went to see the car. The car was likely in
trade, is it possible to place a person as RK even before buying
the car if the car is in trade?
#Post#: 121524--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: janss1234
Date: June 11, 2026, 3:55 pm
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--- Quote from: RichardW link ---
>
> What does it say on your V5C as to the date you acquired the
car?
>
--- End Quote ---
The date I transferred the car to myself was 11/04/2026
#Post#: 121525--------------------------------------------------
Re: CN appeal to adjudicator – bought car after PCN date, need
final sanity check
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: June 11, 2026, 4:08 pm
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--- Quote from: janss1234 link ---
>
> [quote author=ManxTom link=topic=11132.msg121521#msg121521
date=1781209662]
> And was 05 March 2026 the date of the parking contravention or
the date of issue of the PCN?
>
> You've said both in different posts
>
> Do you not know why Greenwich seem to be convinced that you
were RK on the date of the contravention when you say you only
became RK wef 07 March 2026, and that that is what the DVLA
shows?
>
> "... The DVLA sent us your details as being the registered
keeper of the vehicle on the date of the contravention..."
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, 05 March 2026 was the date of the PCN and I bought the car
on 07 March 2026, The DVLA sent us your details as being the
registered keeper of the vehicle on the date of the
contravention I dont understand how this is possible when I
bought the car after the PCN was received, I did do a SAR on the
car and it shows I was the RK on the 11/01/2026, a whole two
months before I even went to see the car. The car was likely in
trade, is it possible to place a person as RK even before buying
the car if the car is in trade?
[/quote]
Ah... you didn't mention that earlier... No idea how you would
have been showing as RK nearly three months before you bought
it?
You had no earlier connection to the car?
What was the date of the contravention?
And when will your appeal be in front of the adjudicator?
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