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Lewisham PCN (53J) for driving into an allocated school street
10 seconds before the cut off.
DIR By: Lefeuvre76
Date: June 11, 2026, 5:47 am
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My wife went to collect our daughter from her school recently.
It has been allocated a 'school street' and cars are not allowed
in between 3 pm and 3.45 pm. She was recorded going into the
street at 3.44.50s.
Our car clock was obviously out of sync with the council clock,
and she should have left herself some wiggle room, but it is
what it is.
I am 100% sure they won't let us off out of the kindness of
their hearts, as it was only 10 seconds early, but is there any
other way I can fight it? How do we know their clocks are
accurate?
I would be grateful if the experts could review the PCN and
advise whether I have a case.
Here are the images of the original PCN
HTML https://ibb.co/DgsK3ZHp
HTML https://ibb.co/KcHMbDvw
HTML https://ibb.co/gMb9zL4V
HTML https://ibb.co/Q7mC451D
Screen shots of the website with link
HTML https://ibb.co/xK2GFYm0
HTML https://ibb.co/zVxm6d7g
HTML https://pcnevidence.lewisham.gov.uk/
PCN number ZT22290395
REG: EY65AEL
#Post#: 121456--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham PCN (53J) for driving into an allocated school
street 10 seconds before the cut off.
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 11, 2026, 8:19 am
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You should submit representations on the basis that the clock in
your car showed that the time was past 3.45, and you are
somewhat astonished that the council see fit to serve a PCN
timed 10 seconds before the end time, (3.44.50). You should
point out that this is well within the legal definition of de
minimis, and you expect the council to now cancel the PCN as it
serves no traffic management purpose.
Wait a bit for other to comment or suggest a better text, but
don't miss the deadline for payment or appeal on the PCN.
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Re: Lewisham PCN (53J) for driving into an allocated school
street 10 seconds before the cut off.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 11, 2026, 8:26 am
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We have several cases to quote on triviality/clock accuracy and
10 seconds is trivial.
I'll dig out a case or two later. PCN is 8 June so no rush.
#Post#: 121464--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham PCN (53J) for driving into an allocated school
street 10 seconds before the cut off.
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 11, 2026, 8:45 am
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I will add some technical points shortly.
Video: does not show sign passed.
Website: just a challenge/general box. No grounds.
PCN: does not offer payment by post.
PCN: alleged conflation and missing increased payment in context
of Part 2 of the 2003 Act.
I will draft all this shortly with relevant provisions as per
the Act.
Plus, of course, other members' comments re the time.
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Missing as highlighted:
(8)A penalty charge notice under this section must—
(a)state—
(i)the grounds on which the council or, as the case may be,
Transport for London believe that the penalty charge is payable
with respect to the vehicle;
(ii)the amount of the penalty charge which is payable;
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
(iv)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the
period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the
amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified
proportion;
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the
28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;
(vi)the amount of the increased charge;
(vii)the address to which payment of the penalty charge must be
sent; and
(viii)that the person on whom the notice is served may be
entitled to make representations under paragraph 1 of Schedule 1
to this Act; and
(b)specify the form in which any such representations are to be
made.
Missing grounds on website: 979 ff in this link:
HTML https://bit.ly/2ALghSS
Adjudications notable cases.
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Alleged conflation:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639
Aleatoric of course.
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