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       #Post#: 121293--------------------------------------------------
       Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: Kazuya
       Date: June 9, 2026, 1:26 pm
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       PCN Front
  HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1daupW8klQ8gHG8Vp-eMXEpHRwLeLVD4m/view?usp=sharing
       PCN Back
  HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1baO2MX7Viuw0gPNp_zrH0hnfBpSaAWFj/view?usp=sharing
       Gym members are allowed to use this car park for two hours. They
       have to input the VRN into a tablet within the gym. This was
       done but the driver overstayed due to the gym being busier than
       usual.
       The gym has been contacted and they say there is nothing they
       can do.
       No PCN stuck to the car and no first PCN received (so no ANPR
       pictures received yet). The final PCN reminder pictured above is
       the first point of contact.
       #Post#: 121322--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: S23
       Date: June 9, 2026, 6:10 pm
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       A couple of years ago, I got a PCN for not paying at all when
       collecting from Argos in Sainsburys there (I wrongly assumed
       supermarket car park would be free, genuine first-timer
       mistake!). I asked security in the shopping centre for someone
       to discuss this with and it got rescinded by speaking to whoever
       was senior on-site, though I can't remember their job role.
       Might be worth asking around during working hours! I believe
       they contacted the operator to get it cancelled.
       #Post#: 121328--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: InterCity125
       Date: June 10, 2026, 12:03 am
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       --- Quote from: Kazuya link ---
       >
       > PCN Front
  HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1daupW8klQ8gHG8Vp-eMXEpHRwLeLVD4m/view?usp=sharing
       > PCN Back
  HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1baO2MX7Viuw0gPNp_zrH0hnfBpSaAWFj/view?usp=sharing
       >
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       As you say, these are not pictures of the PCN.
       ECP notice to keepers are not normally PoFA compliant so always
       ensure that the driver is never revealed.
       #Post#: 121342--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: Kazuya
       Date: June 10, 2026, 3:48 am
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       Thank you for the replies. The driver is young an inexperienced
       and maybe someone a little more persuasive will have more luck
       with the gym, I will call today and speak to a manager.
       I will not reveal the driver identity at any point here or to
       ECP.
       If the phone call is unsuccessful - where should I go from here?
       It has clearly gone past the 28 day appeals deadline which would
       have been mid-May.
       #Post#: 121345--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: Dave65
       Date: June 10, 2026, 4:27 am
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       Ideally it would be best to speak to the manager in person.
       it`s easier for them to fob you off on the phone.
       In the long run ECP generally discontinue before paying the
       court fee, if it goes that far.
       #Post#: 121348--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: InterCity125
       Date: June 10, 2026, 4:33 am
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       --- Quote from: Dave65 link ---
       >
       > Ideally it would be best to speak to the manager in person.
       >
       > it`s easier for them to fob you off on the phone.
       >
       > In the long run ECP generally discontinue before paying the
       court fee, if it goes that far.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You could still contact ECP (strictly as the Registered Keeper)
       and specify that you have never received the original PCN and,
       as such, you would like them to grant you the right to appeal on
       those grounds.
       Do not discuss the nature of your appeal at that point - simply
       that you would like to appeal as the reminder notice was the
       first you knew of the situation.
       You would obviously ask them to provide a copy of the original
       NtK.
       #Post#: 124435--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: Kazuya
       Date: July 12, 2026, 10:14 am
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       Following an SAR, Euro Car Parks have sent the original PCN.
       They also included the DVLA request which was on 18/04 and clear
       entry and exit photos. They have said that they will still
       accept an appeal.
       PCN FRONT
  HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G4sw2j8kTex7iED_SKCpppxyrFMOiTjB/view?usp=sharing
       PCN BACK
  HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K76xICIgtRb5lXL7zARQ_ZyT_p6v94HN/view?usp=sharing
       #Post#: 124465--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - Overstay - Orchards Shopping Centre
       Dartford
   DIR By: InterCity125
       Date: July 13, 2026, 1:26 am
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       Did you ask them if they would allow you to appeal?
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