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Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 8, 2026, 10:18 am
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The contravention is 7 March 2026, the PCN is 3 June 2026. Is it
a lease car?
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#Post#: 121155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: Europlus
Date: June 8, 2026, 11:02 am
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It is a lease car, but the lease company have passed on my
details and the PCN has come to me
#Post#: 121168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: Europlus
Date: June 8, 2026, 11:45 am
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--- Quote from: Europlus link ---
>
> It is a lease car, but the lease company have passed on my
details and the PCN has come to me
>
--- End Quote ---
Ah, I think I get your point now. Are you questioning the time
taken to send me the PCN? That hadn't occurred to me, but as it
is a lease car, I expect there are grounds to send the PCN
later?
#Post#: 121174--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 8, 2026, 12:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Europlus link ---
>
> [quote author=Europlus link=topic=11089.msg121155#msg121155
date=1780934539]
> It is a lease car, but the lease company have passed on my
details and the PCN has come to me
>
--- End Quote ---
Ah, I think I get your point now. Are you questioning the time
taken to send me the PCN? That hadn't occurred to me, but as it
is a lease car, I expect there are grounds to send the PCN
later?
[/quote]
The lease company have 28 days to respond to the PCN, then, when
the council accept their reps cancel the PCN, which will take
some days, they then have 28 days to serve a second PCN.
#Post#: 121177--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: Europlus
Date: June 8, 2026, 12:23 pm
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The lease company have 28 days to respond to the PCN, then, when
the council accept their reps cancel the PCN, which will take
some days, they then have 28 days to serve a second PCN.
[/quote]
So, The Lease company would have had until 4 April to respond,
and assuming, generously that the council needed the 28 days to
turn around a new PCN, they would have had to start the new PCN
on the 6 May, so would it be fair to assume 32 days of the info
sitting around in the council offices is reasonable?
If we assume 7 days is reasonable, the council should have
reissued a new PCN to me on the 9 May (or 11th as it was a
Saturday) and not almost a month later (88 days after the event)
#Post#: 121211--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 8, 2026, 4:09 pm
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I gave you the arithmetic, but forgot to mention that the
council's second 28 days is from the date of cancellation of the
first PCN. So I think you do have a second string to your
representations bow of "PCN served out of time". The council
will then have to explain their tardiness in serving the second
PCN. It's not a slam-dunk argument, though, just another hoop
for them to jump through !
I always say make the bug***s do at least some work !!
#Post#: 121494--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: Europlus
Date: June 11, 2026, 11:38 am
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Thanks all for your help and guidance. I've now submitted my
Reps, slightly amended from my draft above so I could make
reference to the 88 day delay between alleged contravention and
PCN issue (albeit it via the leasing company in the first
instance).
I'll be back with an update but given that a) I didn't fail to
comply with a one-way restriction and b) the excessive notice
delay, I can only expect an early positive outcome - barring any
devilment on behalf of the issuing council... in which case it
will be appealed
#Post#: 121511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 11, 2026, 2:00 pm
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--- Quote from: Europlus link ---
>
> Thanks all for your help and guidance. I've now submitted my
Reps, slightly amended from my draft above so I could make
reference to the 88 day delay between alleged contravention and
PCN issue (albeit it via the leasing company in the first
instance).
>
> I'll be back with an update but given that a) I didn't fail to
comply with a one-way restriction and b) the excessive notice
delay, I can only expect an early positive outcome - barring any
devilment on behalf of the issuing council... in which case it
will be appealed
>
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Don't expect them to roll over and cancel because they won't.
London councils ruthlessly game the system to maximise their
income by refusing all reps however valid they are. Basically,
people are ignorant of parking and traffic law detail, so if
reps are refused, >95% of people then just cough-up to get the
discount. People are also terrified of going to adjudication,
thinking it will cost them a packet of money, whereas the
maximum amount possible is the full PCN penalty, there being no
other costs whatsoever.
#Post#: 124047--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: Europlus
Date: July 8, 2026, 3:55 am
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Good morning all,
As predicted, my Reps have been rejected so I am about to submit
an appeal to the tribunal. I have 28 days from 30 June so will
take some time to prepare it properly.
When I submitted my Reps, I also sent in a CEO complaint -
specifically addressed to Mr J Rowney - but apparently it was
just passed on to the traffic team, in which I asked about the
number of tickets at this junction, for this offence. I've
subsequently asked for some clarifications because they said
there have been 9,562 PCNs at this junction of which 65 have
been appealed and over 70% of those appeals have been won (by
driver), cancelled for some other reason or are yet to be heard
(lumping "cancelled" and "yet to be heard" skews the figures,
but that's how it was presented).
I've also asked, as prompted by the most recent appeal, if there
is a valid traffic management order which prohibits a left turn
at this junction. I am hoping to have a response to that, and my
complaint follow-up, before I submit my appeal.
I also had a response to the point about delayed issue of the
PCN. The reason given, with dates (I'll check with leasing
company) was:
Contravention occurred on 7/3/26
Original PCN issued 11/3/26
Response to PCN (from leasing co) 15/5/26
Transferred to me on 2/6/26
PCN issued to me 9/6/26
I'll keep you posted, but any suggestions would be welcomed.
Thanks :)
#Post#: 124057--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden, Maple Street - Failing to Comply with a one-way
restriction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 8, 2026, 5:24 am
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Another case, and Camden was there so i'd say there is potential
for costs.
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Case reference
Appellant
Authority
VRM
PCN Details
PCN
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
Penalty amount
Contravention
Referral date
Decision Date
Adjudicator
Appeal decision
Direction
Reasons
attended the hearing of this appeal today on the Microsoft Teams
video conferencing platform.
The contravention alleged in these proceedings was that this
vehicle failed to comply with a one-way restriction.
On the council's online footage of the incident, the vehicle
turned left at this junction in contravention, on the council's
case as put at the hearing, of the direction to proceed ahead in
accordance with signage posted prior to it.
Had the PCN been issued for a failure to proceed in the
direction shown by an arrow on a blue sign then the
contravention may well have been made out, but it was not.
A contravention may well have occurred in this case, but it was
not that stated on the PCN, and I was accordingly satisfied that
it had not occurred.
The appeal was allowed.
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