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Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now edited)
DIR By: big_dragon
Date: June 6, 2026, 9:43 am
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(Now posted image)
I came off a small roundabout and when I saw the restriction
sign it was too late to reverse back into the roundabout but a
few metres after the restriction sign I did an immediate U turn
to get out which would be shown on the video.
Can I argue that my incursion into the restricted zone was
minimal and did not cause an obstruction?
Also can I argue that stopping and reversing would be a
dangerous manouevre?
Thanks in advance for your help
BD
PCN below and close up of picture
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Re: PCN for Restricted road dulwich
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 6, 2026, 10:23 am
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Welcome to FTLA!
We need to see more information!
For guidance on posting images please to have a read of
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and post here all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name &
address from documents - leave all else in),.
any council photos/video,
and a GSV link to the location.
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: big_dragon
Date: June 6, 2026, 12:55 pm
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Thanks for your help. I've edited the post now.
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 6, 2026, 5:36 pm
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What road did you approach the Dulwich Bus Gate from? There is
another live case on the forum for Dulwich bus gate (perhaps
read that in meantime for strategy). Fortunately, there is a
wording defect in the PCN paperwork that can be challenged.
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: big_dragon
Date: June 7, 2026, 5:19 am
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Thanks Ryan, I came from College Road.
I looked at the other post and my PCN has the same wording you
talk about but when I go to the PCN portal I can't see any
wording. Just deatils about my car and dates and ties. Also
video which stops before I immediately turn the car back out of
the restricted zone.
Is appealing on the grounds of minimum obstruction and not
wanting to cause a danger a non starter?
I'm not really sure I fully understand the argument about the PC
portal.
Cheers
Nigel
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 7, 2026, 6:38 am
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To answer your question, sometimes the LA miscite the full PCN
charge before the discount is due to expire, the last day of
discount is 20 June (if I am not mistaken), so screenshot PCN
portal on that date. Other errors are if the PCN portal says it
may increase to a charge certificate rate on a date they are not
permitted to (won a dulwich bus gate appeal on that), or if they
cite a different date to when you submitted a representation/PCN
challenge, however their portal seems different in recent times
and these errors may not occur, so you should consider other
appeal points. The most effective way to win the PCN is on
administrative technicalities or if the LA mess up the
enforcement process or make a procedural impropriety. However,
it would be useful to know when you approached via college road,
what did you make of the advance warning sign before the
roundabout? Whilst merging off the roundabout what was your
thought process? Were you unfamiliar with the area?
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 7, 2026, 6:46 am
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[member=9500]big_dragon[/member]: The PCN is unenforceable
because it truncates the period in which the council may serve a
charge certificate and therefore the statement is ultra vires.
Please cancel.
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: big_dragon
Date: June 7, 2026, 1:23 pm
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I am familiar with the area but don't drive there much. I did
not see the signs on college road (I was following a satnav) and
was too late when I turned off the roundabout.
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 8, 2026, 4:49 am
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The PCN wording flaw is the central point in a challenge, but it
may be sensible to reinforce the PCN challenge with another
layer. You may wish to consider filming a reconstruction video
with iphone from vehicle dashboard of your approach from college
road through Dulwich Bus Gate (outside bus gate restriction
hours). You would then upload it to youtube as “unlisted link
access only”, keep it at zero views, then include that link in
the PCN representation. Make sure it’s not a hyperlink, you want
them to type it in. If the local authority reject
representation, go to youtube analytics and it will show if they
viewed it or not. If not you have a failure to consider under
the relevant legislation as another point of appeal. I am quite
familiar with this Bus Gate, so can draft a representation to
detail both elements, then it’s just a case of waiting to see
what the LA come back with, sometimes there are elements to
challenge in their Notice of Rejection. With regards to the
contemporaneous footage, perhaps file a subject access request
for the ANPR footage from time period 08:20 to 08:30 on that
date, cite reason for request: in case it reaches tribunal.
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Re: Southwark PCN Code 33e Restricted road use Dulwich (Now
edited)
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 18, 2026, 4:41 am
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Apologies responded to wrong post. ignore.
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