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Re: SJPN after paying fixed penalty and providing licence number
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: June 3, 2026, 5:33 pm
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> The form I returned identifying myself as the driver included
my full name, date of birth and driving licence number
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I preferred the original Groundhog Day with Bill Murray and
Andie MacDowell.
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> (copy attached above).
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Really?
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> I do not recall providing any further information when making
payment
> [...]
> Does that strengthen the argument that the identification
requirement had already been satisfied?
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Not by any conventionally understood meaning of the word
"strengthen".
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> but my understanding was that the Fixed Penalty Office already
held those details from the completed form.
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What "Fixed Penalty Office" would that be?
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> My address was also already printed on the form. I then paid
the £100 fixed penalty. Does that make any difference to whether
the identification requirement was satisfied?
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No
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Re: SJPN after paying fixed penalty and providing licence number
DIR By: msstress
Date: June 3, 2026, 7:34 pm
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Appreciate your responses Andy, I know I'm repeating myself so
I'll cut to it. I accept there is no defence to the speeding
allegation itself. My concern is avoiding a larger financial
penalty where I paid the £100 fixed penalty and believed I had
complied. Is this the sort of case where fixed penalty
equivalent sentencing may be appropriate?
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Re: SJPN after paying fixed penalty and providing licence number
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: June 4, 2026, 4:28 am
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> Is this the sort of case where fixed penalty equivalent
sentencing may be appropriate?
>
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The guidance says '...where a penalty notice could not be
offered or taken up for reasons unconnected with the offence
itself, such as administrative difficulties outside the control
of the offender, the starting point should be a fine equivalent
to the amount of the penalty and no order of costs should be
imposed.'
The sticky point is the 'difficulties' where within your
control. But don't ask, don't get.
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Re: SJPN after paying fixed penalty and providing licence number
DIR By: 666
Date: June 4, 2026, 4:37 am
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> [quote author=msstress link=topic=11033.msg120652#msg120652
date=1780533248]
> Is this the sort of case where fixed penalty equivalent
sentencing may be appropriate?
>
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The guidance says '...where a penalty notice could not be
offered or taken up for reasons unconnected with the offence
itself, such as administrative difficulties outside the control
of the offender, the starting point should be a fine equivalent
to the amount of the penalty and no order of costs should be
imposed.'
The sticky point is the 'difficulties' where within your
control. But don't ask, don't get.
[/quote]The criterion is "reasons unconnected with the offence".
Admin difficulties are simply quoted as an example.
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Re: SJPN after paying fixed penalty and providing licence number
DIR By: msstress
Date: June 5, 2026, 10:59 am
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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for your advice who
responded 😊
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