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#Post#: 120458--------------------------------------------------
TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: June 2, 2026, 2:55 pm
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I don't remember doing a right turn.
However i did go back to the location and saw that the sign is
covered by tree foliage.
I Did Not Make an APPEAL Yet
PCN Image Pg1 -
HTML https://i.ibb.co/JF0B9B86/IMG-2742.jpg
PCN Image Pg2 -
HTML https://i.ibb.co/ZRfTh9Hr/IMG-2743.jpg
Video -
HTML https://streamable.com/z6e5sc
Location:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5SY8EENwQtWRpWcJ8
Street View:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/VEiD5PLUka5b2zkU9
#Post#: 120466--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 2, 2026, 5:26 pm
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Unfortunately, GSV is far too old to show anything useful
(2012).
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> However i did go back to the location and saw that the sign is
covered by tree foliage.
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If your appeal case is based on no sight of a No Right Turn
(NRT) sign, then you'll need to go back and get photos from a
driver perspective to support your case.
The other point to make is that the video does not show the NRT
sign at all and is another point for any appeal you may submit.
In addition to the above, there may be a 'technical' appeal
suggested here, so wait a bit to see what might be suggested.
Such appeals are based on mismanagement of the enforcement
process and are usually only decided at London Tribunals, so the
full PCN penalty is in play, although that is all, there being
no other costs or charges.
#Post#: 120601--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: June 3, 2026, 10:17 am
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You can see the sign from another perspective which is newer.
And thanks for you suggestion, i will wait to see if anyone else
can leave feedback.
#Post#: 120855--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: June 5, 2026, 8:13 am
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Ok so, i went back to the location and i was wrong. The sign
that i saw is lowered, meaning you can see it, whereas on GSV it
is much higher covered by the tree.
In this instance do i have a leg to stand on?
#Post#: 120861--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 5, 2026, 8:51 am
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The PCN paperwork has same wording as TfL PCN I recently
challenged. I had written in the representation there is no
dispute the vehicle committed the manoeuvre (it was
indisputable), but I then proceeded to enumerate all the
administrative mistakes TfL made in the enforcement process of
the PCN, I had even requested telephone recordings after a
customer agent misinformed the appellant of the NOR process, I
have still not received the recordings, but they cancelled the
PCN months before tribunal. Their PCN portal did not have
errors.
#Post#: 120916--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 6, 2026, 4:15 am
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Thought I would clarify my previous post as to how cases are
winnable if you have collateral points of appeal, even when the
contravention is visible or not. In your case, you may wish to
challenge the PCN on multiple counts, 1) there is no
contemporaneous image of the vehicle passing any sign, neither
the PCN or TfL's video evidence shows any sign being passed, it
has not been made out in the PCN paperwork or the supplementary
evidence; 2) the wording on the paperwork for the payment period
and grounds on page three can be challenged (unless they have
updated it). If TfL reject the representation, then sometimes
there may be a wording defect in the NOR to strengthen a case. I
understand the balance of probabilities test, whether the sign
was there on the date, but an ANPR camera is there for a
specific purpose to make out the contravention, but in this case
it did not. It shows your vehicle making a manoeuvre. If you
need the wording to challenge the PCN paperwork let me know, but
it's only my layman interpretation and there is no guarantee if
it would be accepted.
#Post#: 120923--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: June 6, 2026, 4:55 am
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Sure, im happy to get the wording to appeal, thanks.
Only on the images and video, you can’t see the sign because of
the foliage but when driving you will be able to see it.
Should foliage even be mentioned? Or only the fact that you
cannot see any signs within the image or video.
#Post#: 120933--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 6, 2026, 6:16 am
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Ah okay, noted re foliage, so perhaps I might leave that point.
Others may write a better representation, so disregard mine if
it’s of no use. On page three of the PCN, what does ground three
state verbatim? Just so I know whether to use the same wording
point in respect to that, as I cannot see that page in your
post.
#Post#: 121005--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: June 7, 2026, 9:22 am
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--- Quote from: ryan93 link ---
>
> Ah okay, noted re foliage, so perhaps I might leave that
point. Others may write a better representation, so disregard
mine if it’s of no use. On page three of the PCN, what does
ground three state verbatim? Just so I know whether to use the
same wording point in respect to that, as I cannot see that page
in your post.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you i did not include in original but here’s pg 3 and 4
Page 3:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/218H4XSL/IMG-2749.jpg
Page 4:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/GfZTFqcL/IMG-2751.jpg
#Post#: 121067--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK
ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET
DIR By: ryan93
Date: June 8, 2026, 3:52 am
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I have drafted representations in a word document, though I
presume they will be rejected, there are sometimes elements to
challenge in a Notice of Rejection, so it's just a case of
waiting to see what they come back with. If you PM email then I
can send representation to you.
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