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#Post#: 120403--------------------------------------------------
Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: Purple26
Date: June 2, 2026, 8:05 am
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Hi all,
I would be grateful for any advice regarding this .
Having reviewed the CCTV, the vehicle appears to have come to a
stop within the yellow box for less than 2 seconds before
traffic moved again. I appreciate that stopping in a box
junction can constitute a contravention, but I was wondering
whether such a brief stop might provide any grounds for
challenge or whether there are any other arguments worth
considering.
The driver was my father. Since receiving this PCN he has been
assessed by the mental health team due to concerns regarding
possible dementia/cognitive decline, and he has now stopped
driving altogether. I appreciate this may not affect whether the
contravention occurred, but I mention it in case it is relevant
to any request for discretion.
Any thoughts, suggestions or help would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
HTML https://walthamocm.itsvc.co.uk/PCN/ViewImages
Soz I can see above link is not working. Will upload pcn
documents tonight.
#Post#: 120421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 2, 2026, 10:37 am
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Please read this and update your thread as necessary.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 120891--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: Purple26
Date: June 5, 2026, 4:12 pm
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[quote author=Purple26 link=topic=11009.msg120403#msg120403
date=1780405541]
Hi all,
I would be grateful for any advice regarding this .
Having reviewed the CCTV, the vehicle appears to have come to a
stop within the yellow box for less than 2 seconds before
traffic moved again. I appreciate that stopping in a box
junction can constitute a contravention, but I was wondering
whether such a brief stop might provide any grounds for
challenge or whether there are any other arguments worth
considering.
The driver was my father. Since receiving this PCN he has been
assessed by the mental health team due to concerns regarding
possible dementia/cognitive decline, and he has now stopped
driving altogether. I appreciate this may not affect whether the
contravention occurred, but I mention it in case it is relevant
to any request for discretion.
Any thoughts, suggestions or help would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gxNJ5xbaHfrxpc8WFTkgrqhDv2YxEQPJ/view?usp=drivesdk
#Post#: 120901--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 5, 2026, 6:19 pm
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Is there any info on the PCN about viewing the video, (the sole
evidence of the contravention) ? We need to see this to give
good advice. I tried looking for it on the WF website but can't
find it. Of course it's the usual useless website, of course !
Found the video, which is available on the "challenge PCN" page.
You are indeed correct the stop time was only 2 seconds, which
for me is de minimis and they should give way on this, but
won't, so you would have to take WF to London Tribunals with the
full PCN penalty in play. However, you must first submit reps to
WF, get them refused, and only then can you register an appeal
at London Tribunals.
I don't think mentioning your fathers mental health will help
matters, but see what the others say. I assume it is your car,
correct ?
#Post#: 120962--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: Purple26
Date: June 6, 2026, 3:47 pm
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Thanks. I will try my luck with the de minimis argument and
father's mental health.
The car is actually in father's name. I will challenge pcn in
his name( he's happy for me to do this)
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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 6, 2026, 5:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Purple26 link ---
>
> Thanks. I will try my luck with the de minimis argument and
father's mental health.
>
>
> The car is actually in father's name. I will challenge pcn
in his name( he's happy for me to do this)
>
--- End Quote ---
You have no legal standing in terms of legal responsibility for
the PCN. IN fact, you need to submit representations stating you
are the sone, and thenand state the full facts about your
father's dementia including copies of medical assessments. It it
then more than likely they will give way. If they don't then
take them to London Tribunals.
Also wait for others to comment, but don't miss the deadline on
the PCN for submitting reps.
#Post#: 124372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: Purple26
Date: July 11, 2026, 4:31 am
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Hi everyone so i received a letter on 7/ 7/26 requesting an
authorisation statement from my fathera and then a day letter
received a charge certificate!
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wFomuynKpxQ9fx3_mdgYrZjNObatrBlK
#Post#: 125059--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 18, 2026, 4:14 am
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You left it too late to respond to the PCN which is dated 26th
May. My last post was 6th June, and you only came back to us on
11th July, beyond the 28 days you have to pay or respond to the
PCN
#Post#: 125060--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 18, 2026, 4:37 am
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Crossed lines here.
Taking their letter, signed by H. Ali, dated 7 July:
..'This document[authorisation statement] must be received
within 14 days of the date of this letter, failing which the
case will progress.'
Then a CC dated 8 July.
I would get the authorisation statement completed and send back
to H. Ali with a note to the effect...
Thank you for your letter dated 7 July which I have at last got
my father to sign(I raised his health issues in the
representations and getting him to action matters is an
unfortunate side effect) authorising me to act on his behalf in
these matters. I hope you are now in a position to consider the
representations sent to you earlier.
I also enclose a copy of a Charge Certificate dated 8 July which
I assume has been sent by mistake and ask that you take whatever
action is necessary. Given that this was sent notwithstanding
the council's undertaking not to do so suggests a slight left
and right hand issue which I am sure you can resolve.
I look forward to receiving your response to my dad's
representations.
Regards,
I think fits the facts. If not, pl amend.
NB. no dilly dallying, get it done. The 14 days ends on 21st.
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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibite
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 18, 2026, 10:15 am
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The website contains wrong grounds.
Five in total!
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