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#Post#: 120371--------------------------------------------------
Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest Road
E17
DIR By: 845H
Date: June 2, 2026, 3:56 am
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Hi, I received a PCN through the post about stopping in a box
junction even though I thought I cleared it.
Is this worth appealing or have they got me bang to rights here?
I couldnt concentrate because my kids were low on blood sugar
and doing my nut (we've all been there right?)
contravention 31 on the 25th May in Waltham Forest
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#Post#: 120378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: catnip
Date: June 2, 2026, 4:49 am
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Post the PCN together with a GSV showing the location.
#Post#: 120379--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 2, 2026, 4:52 am
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Yeah, we'll need to see the video (which we can do with the PCN
details) to give proper advice.
If you are only marginally in the box, a statutory defence is
that you could have simply moved forward if you'd known you were
still inside (this depends on you leaving some gap in front).
#Post#: 120380--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: 845H
Date: June 2, 2026, 4:54 am
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Sorry chaps, please see GSV here:
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 2, 2026, 4:56 am
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I'll take a look once the PCN is uploaded.
#Post#: 120383--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: 845H
Date: June 2, 2026, 4:59 am
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EP18 JYC
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 2, 2026, 6:24 am
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Hmmm, you are only in the box to a minimal extent, but it looks
like you pretty much pulled forward up to the car in front
(albeit it's difficult to be sure from the camera angle).
Basically, if you can convince an adjudicator you could have
moved forward another foot or two, then you should prevail. But
if not, they may decide it's a technical contravention.
You may also get an adjudicator who is feeling generous and
decides it's only de minimis.
I note in the video you open the car door and look back to check
if you've cleared the box junction. What was your opinion at
the time? That you'd sufficiently cleared it, or that you
hadn't, but couldn't move any further forward?
#Post#: 120407--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: 845H
Date: June 2, 2026, 8:34 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> Hmmm, you are only in the box to a minimal extent, but it
looks like you pretty much pulled forward up to the car in front
(albeit it's difficult to be sure from the camera angle).
>
> Basically, if you can convince an adjudicator you could have
moved forward another foot or two, then you should prevail. But
if not, they may decide it's a technical contravention.
>
> You may also get an adjudicator who is feeling generous and
decides it's only de minimis.
>
> I note in the video you open the car door and look back to
check if you've cleared the box junction. What was your opinion
at the time? That you'd sufficiently cleared it, or that you
hadn't, but couldn't move any further forward?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeah I checked and thought I was in, I did want to move further
away to be on the safe side but didnt want to stress the driver
in front of me out.
#Post#: 120496--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 3, 2026, 2:55 am
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Ultimately, you'll need to decide if you can credibly claim you
had enough space to move forward sufficiently to clear the box
junction.
If so, that should be a win. If not, I think this would fail at
adjudication.
You could still submit representations within the discount
period and see what comes back from Waltham Forest. Does the
PCN confirm they'll reoffer the discount if they reject a
challenge submitted in the first 14 days? Most councils do
this.
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 stopping in a box junction, Forest
Road E17
DIR By: 845H
Date: June 4, 2026, 3:35 am
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Yes they allow the discounted rate after appeal.
So I will appeal, problem is how can I 'prove' I had enough
space to drive into?
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