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#Post#: 121746--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: Maz
Date: June 14, 2026, 11:09 am
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Sorry ignore the ask about ownership as it was another grounds
for appeal but looks like it isn't relevant and I wasn't
leasing.
So guess just asking to select the correct contravention as it
seems like moving. In that case my appeal may be automatically
rejected given what the criteria is
#Post#: 121752--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 14, 2026, 12:23 pm
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No.
Step 1 - can they prove a contravention (their signage has been
an issue in the past);
Step 2 - who may be held liable.
UNLESS they have supplied the council with ALL the evidence
required under the Transfer of Ownership etc. regs, then the
council MAY NOT transfer liability from Enterprise to you.
#Post#: 121753--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: Maz
Date: June 14, 2026, 12:34 pm
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Well I can prive that signage was not there at the time so the
onus is on them to prove the date as that was put there after I
drove there.
Liability has been transfered to me after 6 months (out of time
frame) but they still accepted and rejected my appeal when it
wasn't. But as it doesn't state I assume I appeal under moving
#Post#: 121756--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: Maz
Date: June 14, 2026, 1:41 pm
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Sorry realised my original post made no sense
MY PCN
This does not state what it falls under but I assume it is for
'moving'. The contravention on my PCN states:failure to
comply..no entry for vehicles)
TRIBUNAL CRITERIA
Parking Contravention
"did not occur .... no proper signage"
OR
Moving Contravention "
(There was) "no failure to comply with a traffic sign"
I guess this is me essentially saying I did comply with the
traffic sign under the moving contravention when technically I
didn't if I entered the road, I file under a moving
contravention.
But looks like to have wider scope I need to file under parking
contravention to state that there was no proper signage. Even
though by my deduction it is a moving contravention.
Could I also state on the online and paper PCN there is no other
mention of the type of contravention (than what I mentioned
above), so I selected the criteria (and wording) that fit the
reasons I was trying to appeal. Or will they throw it out if I
select parking?
Hope that is clearer sorry for all my muddled thoughts.
#Post#: 121764--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: Maz
Date: June 14, 2026, 4:13 pm
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Sorry me again is it classed as served out of time if they
reissued in my name after 28 days but originally served to me
via enterprise. Where they said they wouldn't accept that appeal
but eventually did. Hence the lovely letter they sent. Are they
confusing me on purpose
#Post#: 121768--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 14, 2026, 4:37 pm
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Liability has been transfered to me after 6 months (out of time
frame) but they still accepted and rejected my appeal when it
wasn't. But as it doesn't state I assume I appeal under moving
The issue is whether this was done LAWFULLY.
First tell us whether the car was hired for less than 6 months
(YES/NO) and then we can take it one step at a time.
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Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: Maz
Date: June 14, 2026, 5:27 pm
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Ah I see. Thank you. yes it was hired for less than 6 months
#Post#: 121788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 15, 2026, 2:46 am
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Thank you.
The contravention relates to moving traffic and is governed by
the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act, as
stated on the Notice of Rejection. Can you repost this notice
please because it is not clear and we need to see the photos of
the dog's breakfast of signage (which is THEIR evidence in
support of the rejection) far more clearly. In fact, as a local
resident you could take additional shots.The signage would be a
major focus in your defence under the grounds 'contravention did
not occur'(it can't occur if it's not signed as required).
Additionally, given Enterprise's track record IMO you should
also appeal under the grounds of 'I was not the owner'. The
adjudication decision I linked gives you chapter and verse on
what Enterprise have to do in order for the council to cancel
their liability. It's not optional as far as the council is
concerned: if the registered keeper does not provide everything
needed under the Road Traffic (Owner Liability) Regulations 2000
then the RK remains liable.
There's also a collateral challenge as regards the NOR and what
payment is due and when. As worded, IMO it's contradictory and
unclear.
#Post#: 121791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: Maz
Date: June 15, 2026, 3:00 am
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Thanks for your reply. I forgot to say the adjudication link is
broken. New pictures won't matter now as it seems like they
added different signage after this happened in Jan 26. This was
not there when I drove down.
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/lP1Kw1t
Hope this is still active
Sorry re read the options to appeal just realised an example was
given so I can appeal under both grounds
Thanks for your help
#Post#: 121824--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road and Enterprise H&F
DIR By: tincombe
Date: June 15, 2026, 7:09 am
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New pictures won't matter now as it seems like they added
different signage after this happened in Jan 26. This was not
there when I drove down.
??
The photos they submit in evidence MUST show what was there on
the day. This is why we need to know what dates are embedded
within the letter.
It is worthwhile taking photos even if the signage has changed.
After all, why should they change what they claimed was
perfectly adequate!
Pl take some photos and also post whatever time info is in the
photos in their notice.
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