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#Post#: 1767--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 22, 2023, 7:50 am
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I have not read all of this thread but will be very sorry to see
pepipoo go. I am not interested in any alleged machinations on
the part of some members who have privately expressed them to
me. I am here simply to fight tickets and can only say: Viva
pepipoo.
#Post#: 1771--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: typefish
Date: July 22, 2023, 8:15 am
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--- Quote from: notmeatloaf link ---
>
> Anyway, ultimately it's your choice. I think it is unwise to
rely on a one man band in Illinois but you're right in that
comparing it to the old forums this is still better. If you'd
like assistance setting it up on your own hosting the offer is
still there, takes all of 15 minutes to do and IMO will
futureproof the site a lot better.
>
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In order to allow FTLA to be hosted in a manner that is wholly
fault tolerant in-house, shall we say - i.e. the use of multiple
hosting providers as well as somehow securing the right for
multiple people to have access to take control of a domain if
needs be, this would take far longer than 15 minutes.
As someone who does this professionally, it isn't yet worth it
for something like FTLA - I would reckon that what we have here
is definitely effective for the moment.
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: Tikli Chestikov
Date: September 10, 2023, 10:07 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> What is a police force going to do with an IP address? As I
understand it they would need a warrant to obtain the
subscriber's details from an ISP, they can't just call up
Vodafone or BT and get a name and address.
>
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Plod can obtain the name associated with the account tied to the
IP address at the time the words were posted via a warrant as
you rightly surmise.
But here's the thing. Just because cp8759 pays the bill for
his/her internet access, it doesn't mean he/she posted the bad
words. He/she simply says, there are x people in my house using
my internet, it wasn't me. And Plod have to go away with their
tails between their legs.
Equally, and here's a real world example, I allow my internet to
be accessed by my neighbour via wifi (I've given her the SSID
and password) - she's on her own, works hard but has next to no
money and can't afford her own internet access.
What she does with it is down to her (I've told her no video
streaming during the day when I need my internet for
work).....but other than that, if she posts on Twitter that she
wants to nuke the UK Government and the trail comes back to me,
I'll tell Plod to go forth and multiply, not my problem.
And all of that is before you get into VPN usage.
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 10, 2023, 12:21 pm
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--- Quote from: Tikli Chestikov link ---
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> Plod can obtain the name associated with the account tied to
the IP address at the time the words were posted via a warrant
as you rightly surmise.
>
--- End Quote ---
They can only get an IP address if the US authorities cooperate,
which is a high bar.
--- Quote from: Tikli Chestikov link ---
>
> Just because cp8759 pays the bill for his/her internet access,
it doesn't mean he/she posted the bad words.
>
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To be honest, I'm a public figure and if plod wants to have a
word, I'm easy to find.
As we don't allow anything dishonest or illegal on this forum,
I'm really not fussed.
#Post#: 4790--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 10, 2023, 1:47 pm
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Well, at the age of ca. twice cp's, my reputation(s) precede me
so I have abandoned caring anymore. People try it on with me as
per the other day when I was told I could not film outside a
Town Hall. I simply replied it was a public place and could
film a policeman indulged in any action if I wanted to or words
to that effect. Molon lave.
#Post#: 4887--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: Tikli Chestikov
Date: September 11, 2023, 10:41 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> [quote author=Tikli Chestikov link=topic=11.msg4752#msg4752
date=1694358465]
> Plod can obtain the name associated with the account tied to
the IP address at the time the words were posted via a warrant
as you rightly surmise.
>
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They can only get an IP address if the US authorities cooperate,
which is a high bar.
[/quote]
I was thinking along the lines of your keyboard warrior who gets
his/her internet access via, say, Virgin Media, a UK outfit.
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 11, 2023, 10:47 am
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--- Quote from: Tikli Chestikov link ---
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> I was thinking along the lines of your keyboard warrior who
gets his/her internet access via, say, Virgin Media, a UK
outfit.
>
--- End Quote ---
But how would plod know a user's ISP in the first place?
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: d612
Date: October 4, 2023, 12:40 pm
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In the UK blocks of IP addresses are issued for use to certain
ISP's
This is all public knowledge
So I can go on to some website and it will tell me that my IP is
XXXXX and hence it also knows the ISP I'm connected through, as
the IP address is within a block issued to ISP BB.
At this point all the public websites get it wrong on my approx
location as geo-location from and IP address in the UK is next
to impossible in public.
however if the police really want to....
They know the IP address from "demanding" it of the
website/forum hosting/admin.
So now they know the ISP.
The police would go to the ISP and "suggest" that they might
like to supply the home address of the connection that was
connected to the particular IP address in question at the
relevant time. All UK ISP's are required to keep such logs for 1
year.
They then go to the property and equally "suggest" to the
owner/resident that they might like to cooperate on who was
using the connection at the time. alternatively all computers
and phone will be seized for forensics investigation if they
want to be difficult.
Now some ISP use CGNAT (lots of phone based internet
connections) which is where a single IP address is shared out
among multiple users at the same time where the switching
between users as the user "uses" the connection is done so fast
that it invisible to users. This does make things more difficult
to nail down which is the exact connection needed at the instant
of time.
Obviously it gets even more complex where you have VPN's......
#Post#: 6714--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: October 4, 2023, 1:23 pm
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--- Quote from: d612 link ---
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> however if the police really want to....
> They know the IP address from "demanding" it of the
website/forum hosting/admin.
>
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And how will the UK police demand anything from me?
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 4, 2023, 7:32 pm
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--- Quote from: d612 link ---
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> They know the IP address from "demanding" it of the
website/forum hosting/admin.
>
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No, they really don't. Lots of people seem to be making this
assumption but this is where the argument falls flat on its
face, nobody is going to give anyone any IP addresses simply
because someone "demands" it.
This being the case, the rest of your argument simply falls flat
on its face.
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