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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 16, 2023, 11:47 am
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--- Quote from: MMV Redux link ---
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> I would now be very wary of copying reams of stuff across from
the Pepipoo site until an expert gives a view on the copyright
implications.
>
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I don't think Pepiptec Ltd owns the stuff that you and I have
posted?
I'm not sure there is much if anything that is owned by Pepitec
that we would want to copy. Adjudicator's decisions are Crown
Copyright, and posts are either in the public domain, or are
owned by those who wrote them in the first place.
If any of your posts are copied onto here, I hope you're not
planning on suing us?
#Post#: 303--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: Hroogar
Date: June 21, 2023, 2:09 pm
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Very well done to those involved in getting this site off the
ground.
I was a little panicked last week as I may have a bus lane
enforcement impending but sheer bad luck and poor observation
perhaps.
However, probably best for me to wait for notification but at
the moment I am on holiday so might not know until it's too late
if something has dropped on the mat!
To lose PPP entirely, as archive or otherwise, would be an
absolute tragedy. It is a good reference for all the fantastic
advice that has been dispensed over the years by a core group of
selfless and, mostly, patient individuals (iro of my sometimes
idiotic questions and misapprehensions).
I've taken this opportunity to change my Username to avoid any
embarrassing myself... ::)
I should have used the Old English Hrōðgār.
Keep up the great work, Southpaw82, Incandescent, Nosferatu et
al.
#Post#: 459--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: peterhurt
Date: June 25, 2023, 11:15 am
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So I take it both sites will be used for now?
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 25, 2023, 12:03 pm
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> So I take it both sites will be used for now?
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I'm going to use encourage people to migrate to the new site as
much as possible. Anything on the old site is potentially liable
to just disappear.
#Post#: 549--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: peodude
Date: June 27, 2023, 9:37 am
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As a Pepipoo member since 2006 it's going to be a sad day when
it does finally disapear. I wouldn't be too concerned with the
loss of the old posts. The majority of it will be out of date
anyway apart from the case law.
#Post#: 552--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 27, 2023, 10:12 am
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--- Quote from: peodude link ---
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> As a Pepipoo member since 2006 it's going to be a sad day when
it does finally disapear. I wouldn't be too concerned with the
loss of the old posts. The majority of it will be out of date
anyway apart from the case law.
>
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All the relevant case law we would ever want to cite is on the
PCN spreadsheet, at least as far as council PCNs go.
Maybe one day someone will build an equivalent documents for
private parking tickets & criminal cases.
#Post#: 928--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: notmeatloaf
Date: July 5, 2023, 7:06 pm
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Whilst the old site was out of date and highly insecure, I do
think if people want a relaunched Pepipoo then it would be good
to get it properly hosted rather than on a "free forum" type
site where exporting the data will be equally difficult if/when
the "free" company folds or decides to start charging fees.
Additionally, any ad revenue can go back into the running of the
site.
Not saying it's not a good idea but I would think about ways
that someone - probably a limited company - can own the site and
control the data now. Better than having some spotty teenager in
'Murica be able to decide to delete the site because they
received a scary letter on police letterhead.
#Post#: 941--------------------------------------------------
Re: A new beginning
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 6, 2023, 5:55 am
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--- Quote from: notmeatloaf link ---
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> Not saying it's not a good idea but I would think about ways
that someone - probably a limited company - can own the site and
control the data now. Better than having some spotty teenager in
'Murica be able to decide to delete the site because they
received a scary letter on police letterhead.
>
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The site is hosted in the US, so it is protected by the first
amendment (which is broader than Article 10 of the ECHR) and any
letters from a UK police force are likely to end up in the bin.
That being said, things are being put in place via an offshore
limited company.
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: sparx
Date: July 6, 2023, 10:11 pm
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--- Quote from: peodude link ---
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> As a Pepipoo member since 2006 it's going to be a sad day when
it does finally disapear. I wouldn't be too concerned with the
loss of the old posts. The majority of it will be out of date
anyway apart from the case law.
>
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Unless the pepipoo.com domain can be transferred, or
pepitec.co.uk can be renewed, then both will go offline 30 days
after the expiry of the pepitec.co.uk domain name (some time
around November) as the nameservers will fail to resolve.
pepipoo.com is registered until 2027. So in theory, if the
pepitec.co.uk domain is able to be re-registered by someone
else, then pepipoo.com can be pointed to anywhere that the owner
of pepitec.co.uk decides by simply returning different DNS
records. This is only an option after full expiry, which will
mean pepipoo.com will be offline for 65+ days.
I'm guessing i'm not the only one here that will try to nab
pepitec.co.uk when it expires, and if I do, i'll let you guys
here know.
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Re: A new beginning
DIR By: notmeatloaf
Date: July 7, 2023, 5:26 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> The site is hosted in the US, so it is protected by the first
amendment (which is broader than Article 10 of the ECHR) and any
letters from a UK police force are likely to end up in the bin.
>
> That being said, things are being put in place via an offshore
limited company.
>
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No idea what 1st amendment has to do with anything unless we're
running a church.
Their privacy policy allows them to disclose anything they want.
Maybe they would ignore any requests but to me it seems a bit
short sighted to avoid a third party with no interest in the
site controlling the data and potentially disclosing or even
deleting it for any reason.
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> We will disclose any information about you to government or
law enforcement officials or private parties as we, in our sole
discretion, believe necessary or appropriate to respond to
claims and legal process (such as subpoena requests), to protect
our property and rights or the property and rights of a third
party, to protect the safety of the public or any person, or to
prevent or stop activity we consider to be illegal or unethical.
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I would say the relatively little extra work to create a self
hosted forum would quite likely be worth it in the medium term
and happy to help (used to work as a web developer) if there is
interest. It should also be possible to get all the content from
the old forum into a new one if it's self hosted so keep
accumulated knowledge.
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