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#Post#: 12240--------------------------------------------------
Need to give driver information using their form and address or
other
DIR By: mashkiach
Date: December 11, 2023, 6:41 pm
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Metropolitan Police
Date of the offence: - 14 November 2023
Date of the NIP: - 6 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 8 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP:
important): A 10 Stamford Hill nr Holmleigh Rd S/B N16 (1571)
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded
delivery? - First
If you are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship
to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened)
telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things
that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave
anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious
reasons - The driver was driving fairly slow but the NiP claims
he was driving at 24mph in a 20mph zone recorded on an automatic
camera.
1)
there other means?
2)
it)?
3)
portal may I also request for the camera calibration as well?
I was toying with the idea of requesting the type approval of
the camera it may be used for a 20mph as at one time they where
only approved for 30mph. In between my request and passing I
also name myself as the driver of the said car and the said time
hoping the whole letter be passed on to the data request
department yet I have complied with the law.
#Post#: 12241--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: guest46
Date: December 12, 2023, 1:08 am
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1. No, but does open an element of risk when processed. Why not
just send the form (and get proof of posting)?It makes zero
difference
2. Unless they have provided one - see above. There's been legal
debates over the validity of e-mails for year and it's never
really been fully resolved.
3. You can write and ask, but need to do so within the 28 days
and leave enough time to name the driver. Some forces wil
loblige, others not - they can take such a request as a NG plea
and take the matter straight to court and that will be expensive
(and pointless)
Re the type-approval - see 3 above
For the sake of a course (if eligible) or 3 points/£100, is it
worth the risk of a court visit with higher fine (maybe) plus
costs, plus victim surcharge?
#Post#: 12243--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: December 12, 2023, 3:38 am
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You can certainly give the details in the form of a letter (Case
law, Jones V DPP) which may inconvenience them somewhat (and may
see them withhold the offer of a course or fixed penalty as
applicable).
Otherwise, as per reply on Pepipoo, if mail is the only option
they offer, then it is the only option.
Not sure why you don't want to log on, given you'll only be
providing details they already have..... But calibration (and
the resulting certificate) isn't required to convict you, so not
sure why you want to see them anyway?
#Post#: 12343--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: mashkiach
Date: December 13, 2023, 7:27 am
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If I have been offered a course then they can not unoffer it.
If by confusion they failed to log my naming driver yet I send
them proof I would assume that they drop the case.
#Post#: 12345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: December 13, 2023, 8:06 am
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--- Quote from: mashkiach link ---
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> If I have been offered a course then they can not unoffer it.
>
--- End Quote ---
That rather depends on the basis on which the offer is
withdrawn.
#Post#: 12348--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: 666
Date: December 13, 2023, 8:53 am
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--- Quote from: mashkiach link ---
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> If I have been offered a course then they can not unoffer it.
> If by confusion they failed to log my naming driver yet I send
them proof I would assume that they drop the case.
>
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If you're offered a course then - by definition - they already
know the driver.
What sort of confusion are you expecting?
#Post#: 12349--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: mashkiach
Date: December 13, 2023, 9:19 am
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If I have named the driver but incorporated it within questions
I ask them it may be overlooked and consequently they missed
their timeframe.
#Post#: 12353--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: 666
Date: December 13, 2023, 9:55 am
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--- Quote from: mashkiach link ---
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> If I have named the driver but incorporated it within
questions I ask them it may be overlooked and consequently they
missed their timeframe.
>
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You need to name the driver unequivocally.
If you name him/her, but hedge it about with 'ifs' 'buts' or
'maybes', or irrelevant flannel, you may well be charged with
failure to comply with the request. That is a much more serious
offence, with much harsher penalties, than the original
speeding.
The chances of it being overlooked, or dropped as too difficult,
are negligible. They have dealt with people playing silly
b*ggers before.
#Post#: 12392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: guest46
Date: December 14, 2023, 12:56 am
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I'm not clear where/why the OP is going with
this.................
#Post#: 12395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need to give driver information using their form and address
or other
DIR By: 666
Date: December 14, 2023, 2:13 am
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--- Quote from: M60NJP link ---
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> I'm not clear where/why the OP is going with
this.................
>
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.... straight to 6 points at this rate.
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