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NIP - 25mph in a 20 zone (time discrepancy)
DIR By: fezster
Date: May 30, 2026, 5:42 am
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I've received an NIP as the owner of the vehicle in question
from the Met Police as follows:
Offence: Exceed a 20 MPH speed limit in contravention of a Local
Traffic Order - Mobile Camera device
Date and time: 24/05/2026 18:18 hours
Location: A205 South Circular Road between junction A23 Brixton
Hill and junction New Park Road, SW2
Recorded Speed: 25mph
I have gone online to the Star Portal to fill in details of the
driver and on the submission page, the date/time is incorrect by
an hour:
Summary of Alleged Offence
Notice number:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
VRM:
xxx
Offence:
Exceed a 20 MPH speed limit in contravention of a Local Traffic
Order - Mobile Camera device
Offence date/time:
24 May 2026 19:18
Location:
A205 South Circular Road between junction A23 Brixton Hill and
junction New Park Road, SW2
Should I still submit this, even though it is incorrect?
And is there any plausible defence here?
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Re: NIP - 25mph in a 20 zone (time discrepancy)
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: May 30, 2026, 6:27 am
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Almost certainly the camera is showing a GMT time. Wouldn’t want
to fight it on that basis.
Naming the driver needs to happen regardless.
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Re: NIP - 25mph in a 20 zone (time discrepancy)
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: May 30, 2026, 6:45 am
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[member=5875]fezster[/member] - "... Should I still submit
this, even though it is incorrect?"
Which time do you think is incorrect? The one on the NIP or the
one on the submission form?
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Re: NIP - 25mph in a 20 zone (time discrepancy)
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: May 30, 2026, 8:11 am
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Whilst the requirement to serve a NIP within the 14 days is
mandatory, the required details are "merely directory" - if you
know which incident the NIP refers to (or if the correct time
would not have made any difference), then the NIP is not
invalidated for the purposes of s. 1 Road Traffic Offenders Act
1988.
Logically, it seems that the NIP and the paper s. 172 are likely
to be correct and the online time is wrong.
*If* the paper NIP has the wrong time, then arguably there might
be a get out of jail free on the basis that presumably nobody
was driving that vehicle at that location at the time specified,
and you are not required to second guess what the police
actually should have asked.
If the time on the paper NIP is correct, then as the online form
is a mere convenience, you need to decide how bothered you are
by the incorrect time. Do you want to eat today, or buy a stamp
and use the paper form.
Arguably, using the online form (if that has the wrong time)
would seem to provide the prosecution with evidence that you
were driving at time Y when they have evidence of the offence
being committed at time X, so that should not be sufficient to
convict you of the speeding offence - although raising that as a
defence would seem to leave you open to a charge under s.5 of
the Perjury Act 1911 (assuming that you weren't driving that
vehicle at that location at both times).
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Re: NIP - 25mph in a 20 zone (time discrepancy)
DIR By: fezster
Date: May 30, 2026, 9:02 am
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Thanks all.
I did already go ahead and submit the online form and seems the
advice is there is not much to fight here. Extremely frustrating
as I remember being very careful driving in the 20 zones that
day, but obviously not careful enough!
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