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PCN Havering - Driving in bus lane on New Road/Philip Road RM13
- code 34j
DIR By: Buzzcut
Date: May 29, 2026, 8:08 am
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Hi All,
Here's the location
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I needed to turn left down Philip Road, and accidentally entered
the bus lane probably 80 yards before the turn and 60 yards
before the "End of Bus Lane" sign (which I didn't see, nor did I
notice the bus lane restriction times further back down the road
- I don't live in the area and was following the satnav for the
Philip Road turning).
The video clearly shows me signalling left as I come up to the
lights - you can view with the provided details (I don't know
why the instructions say to use the WEB CODE NUMBER on Page 2 as
you need to use the PCN number).
I don't know if I have a valid case here, you could technically
say I was "driving in the bus lane", but in reality I was
cutting off the corner early in order to turn left.
Any advice?
Many thanks....Dan
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Re: PCN Havering - Driving in bus lane on New Road/Philip Road
RM13 - code 34j
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 29, 2026, 12:22 pm
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The video confirms your account of the circumstances, and sorry
to say, you have no valid case for the PCN to be cancelled. Your
entry into the bus lane was too far back to be considered de
minimis, I'm afraid. You should also note that unlike every
other London council, Havering will not re-offer the discount
when rejecting representations. On the other hand, it means
anybody submitting reps to them that are rejected has no
additional financial exposure when registering an appeal at
London Tribunals, because the penalty remains the same, and
there are no additional costs.
My view is that you don't have a case on the contravention, but
others may suggest 'technical' appeals that have won in the
past, so wait a bit, but don't miss the discount deadline if
you're minded to pay.
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Re: PCN Havering - Driving in bus lane on New Road/Philip Road
RM13 - code 34j
DIR By: brucealmighty
Date: May 29, 2026, 2:44 pm
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It seems like Havering are doing a round on that same spot,
yours is similar to mine
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Re: PCN Havering - Driving in bus lane on New Road/Philip Road
RM13 - code 34j
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 29, 2026, 5:08 pm
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Don't pay it. Back later.
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Re: PCN Havering - Driving in bus lane on New Road/Philip Road
RM13 - code 34j
DIR By: Buzzcut
Date: May 30, 2026, 11:24 am
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Thanks!
Eager to hear the next steps.
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Re: PCN Havering - Driving in bus lane on New Road/Philip Road
RM13 - code 34j
DIR By: Buzzcut
Date: June 2, 2026, 4:59 am
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Hi Hippocrates.. Do you have any instructions for what I should
do next?
Thanks...Dan
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Re: PCN Havering - Driving in bus lane on New Road/Philip Road
RM13 - code 34j
DIR By: Buzzcut
Date: June 8, 2026, 5:58 am
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Unfortunately I took Incandescent's advice and joined the
"Mugged Club" by paying the £80, the 14-day grace period expires
tomorrow.
I was up for a fight but didn't receive any further advice for
how to proceed from Hippocrates, I'm a little disappointed I
have to say.
The irony here is I was collecting an item I won on eBay that
was £80 cheaper than retail ;D
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