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Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: FaeLLe
Date: May 29, 2026, 7:46 am
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Hoping for a steer before I put my representations in.
The car picked up a code 62c from Southwark (one or more wheels
on a footpath or part of a road other than the carriageway, on a
vehicle crossover). First we knew of any of it was the Notice to
Owner that arrived in the post in April 2026. Nothing was ever
found on the car at the time. I will be straight though: one of
the council photos does look like it shows a yellow ticket under
the wiper, so I am not pinning much on the never served angle.
The date on their photos is 24 January 2026, around 14:14.
Details for reference:
Council: Southwark
PCN: JK19046503 (happy to redact)
Vehicle: red Tesla Model S, V11KDV
Contravention: 62c
Stage: Notice to Owner, received April 2026
The part I actually want help with is where the car was. It was
on the paved area right at the entrance into a gated development
site. The photos show the green security hoarding and railings
around the site, a painted mural, some fake grass and a striped
barrier with GATE 13 on it. The driver took that to be the
private access into the site, not the public pavement, and
parked on that basis.
I have looked at the photos properly and I can see the council
side of it too. The car is off the road, there is the bumpy
tactile paving right in front of it, there is a normal pavement
running alongside with people walking past, and the carriageway
is just beyond. The c on the code means they are saying the
wheels were on the crossover, the dropped section where vehicles
cross in. So I understand why they have treated it as footway.
What I am trying to work out:
1. Is this basically all down to whether that paved area is
adopted public highway? If it is not council maintained highway,
can they issue a 62 there at all?
2. How do I actually prove the status of the ground? I was
thinking the council List of Streets, the adoption records, Land
Registry for the site, and anything like a hoarding licence or a
s278 or s38 agreement for the building works. Is that the right
route, and what carries the most weight?
3. Even if the land behind the railings is private, does the
crossover itself still count as public footway, which would sink
the point?
4. Does the driver genuinely believing it was private land help
at all, or is footway parking effectively strict liability so
that is only mitigation?
5. The gap between the contravention in January and the NTO in
April, worth raising or just normal? Still trying to dig out the
NTO to check the actual dates.
6. As we never got the original ticket, is there any chance of
the discount being reinstated if it is upheld?
7. What should I be asking Southwark to send me before I submit
representations?
I understand I have 28 days from the NTO to do formal
representations, then London Tribunals if they reject. Mainly I
want a view on whether the development site point is realistic
or whether I am wasting it.
Thanks in advance.
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#Post#: 120002--------------------------------------------------
Re: Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 29, 2026, 7:53 am
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For meaningful advice please post up GSV link to the location,
any council photos,
and all of the NtO (only redact yr name & address - leave all
else in).
#Post#: 120004--------------------------------------------------
Re: Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 29, 2026, 8:12 am
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Is the car leased or are you the registered keeper?
In any event, if you received the NTO in April then the 28 days
for making statutory reps has passed, but as a Charge Cert.
hasn't been issued you might be lucky.
#Post#: 120023--------------------------------------------------
Re: Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: davidmcn
Date: May 29, 2026, 9:40 am
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I take it you were roughly here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/JUt79Dc5UsgiLxc97?
The council has GIS mapping here
HTML https://geomap.southwark.gov.uk/connect/analyst/mobile/#/mainwhich<br
/>you can use to look up the extent of adopted highway - the
"crossovers" are part of the adopted pavement. Unless you
actually mean you were behind the pavement and on the
construction site itself?
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Re: Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: FaeLLe
Date: May 29, 2026, 12:22 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> For meaningful advice please post up GSV link to the location,
> any council photos,
> and all of the NtO (only redact yr name & address - leave all
else in).
>
--- End Quote ---
The vehicle was parked parallel to the road at the GATE 13
entrance to a gated development site. Google Street View, July
2024 imagery, shows the recessed gated entrance, the security
hoarding, the tactile paving and pedestrian use:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/V66gPtEb3bu2NvgZ6
On Southwark’s own mapping, with the Adopted Highway layer
enabled, the development land, including the hoarding line and
entry gap, is not shown as adopted highway, whereas the
carriageway and footway of Elephant Road are. On my reading the
vehicle stood wholly on the unadopted land.
--- Quote from: davidmcn link ---
>
> I take it you were roughly here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/JUt79Dc5UsgiLxc97?
>
> The council has GIS mapping here
HTML https://geomap.southwark.gov.uk/connect/analyst/mobile/#/mainwhich<br
/>you can use to look up the extent of adopted highway - the
"crossovers" are part of the adopted pavement. Unless you
actually mean you were behind the pavement and on the
construction site itself?
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for digging up the location and the GIS map it helped.
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Re: Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 29, 2026, 3:04 pm
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The council's photos show the car clearly with the rear 2 wheels
on the footway.
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Re: Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: FaeLLe
Date: May 31, 2026, 4:11 am
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--- Quote from: FaeLLe link ---
>
> [quote author=John U.K. link=topic=10965.msg120002#msg120002
date=1780059229]
> For meaningful advice please post up GSV link to the location,
> any council photos,
> and all of the NtO (only redact yr name & address - leave all
else in).
>
--- End Quote ---
The vehicle was parked parallel to the road at the GATE 13
entrance to a gated development site. Google Street View, July
2024 imagery, shows the recessed gated entrance, the security
hoarding, the tactile paving and pedestrian use:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/V66gPtEb3bu2NvgZ6
On Southwark’s own mapping, with the Adopted Highway layer
enabled, the development land, including the hoarding line and
entry gap, is not shown as adopted highway, whereas the
carriageway and footway of Elephant Road are. On my reading the
vehicle stood wholly on the unadopted land.
--- Quote from: davidmcn link ---
>
> I take it you were roughly here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/JUt79Dc5UsgiLxc97?
>
> The council has GIS mapping here
HTML https://geomap.southwark.gov.uk/connect/analyst/mobile/#/mainwhich<br
/>you can use to look up the extent of adopted highway - the
"crossovers" are part of the adopted pavement. Unless you
actually mean you were behind the pavement and on the
construction site itself?
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for digging up the location and the GIS map it helped.
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Any other thoughts from anyone please.
Has there been any case law if merely touching the line is de
minimus? Surely there must be an aspect of detriment and
proportionality for an offence - just like tyres touching the
border of a parking bay etc.
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Re: Code 62c - Southwark Council - Elephant Road
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 31, 2026, 5:31 am
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Formal reps have been made so I suggest the recipient waits for
the council's response.
Are you the registered keeper?
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